[Advaita-l] Advaiti Response to this report?

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 11:31:02 CST 2012

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
> With this point I am replying to above and also now replying to your
> other important point- if a thing is existing in the middle but not
> before and after it is not existing any time. These two points are
> replied in this way by Ramanuja and his followers. Why do you say a
> pot is not existing before it is created? We don't agree. There is no
> absolute nonexistence for any thing. If you say Pot was not existing
> before we say it was existing as Clay. This is Satkaryavada. The
> Effect Pot is Existing in Cause Clay. It is accepted by Advaitis also.
> If you say Pot is destroyed some time and it is again non existing. We
> say no. Even when it is destroyed it is existing as Clay. There is no
> time when Pot did not exist. This same is true for World also. The
> Brahman is Upadana Cause. The World is Effect. The World is always
> Existing. First it is in Brahman then it is created and when it is
> destroyed also it is Brahman only. In this argument there is no need
> for Mithyatva any where. Why assume Mithyatva if we can explain it
> like this?

It does not take much time and effort for the Advaitin to reply to the

In Vedanta satkAryavAda though the effect, before manifesting, is held to
be in the cause AS the cause, still even at that state it is mithyA only as
it remains non-different from the cause.  This is the same with the
post-destruction state too.  कालत्रय्ऽपि कार्यं कारणादनन्यतया एव वर्तते .
At all the three periods the effect can never be separately shown from the
cause.  Just as we say the effect is nothing but a name/word in the
manifest state so too the effect even in the pre-manifestation state is
only a word/name.

This applies to the world as well.

> p.s. I am thankful to Vidwan Shri Kutumba Sastry who presented a paper at
Tumkur on 'satkAryavAda'.  He neatly presented the idea that 'whether
before manifestation or after, the effect is mithyA alone.'

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