[Advaita-l] Saurashtra

D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ dvnsarma at gmail.com
Wed Jan 18 07:24:55 CST 2012

One of the principal disciples of Vaggeyakara Saint Tyagaraja is
is a saurashtrian Sri Walajapet Venkataramana Bhagavatar, who was not only
his biographer but also kept a faithful record of a number of his guru's
compositions. All of these manuscripts are preserved in Saurashtra Sabha
at Madurai.


On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>wrote:

> [was Re: [Advaita-l] Query regarding the birthplace of Bhaskararaya]
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011, sriram wrote:
>  About Sourashtras -the word Sou indicates 100 in Hindhi-Rashtras indicate
>> princely states.These states were integrated into Indian Union by Sri Sir
>> Vallabhai Patel.There were 562 princely states in our country and it is to
>> the credit of Sir Vallabhai Patel that these states joined the Indian
>> Union.The Sourashtrians then migrated to South and are concentrated in
>> Madurai District.They are known as pattu nool-silk thread- dealers.
> It is true that the peninsular part of Gujarat known as Kathiawad or
> Saurashtra (where my family is from incidently) contained many princely
> states which were atleast on paper not part of British India but to derive
> the word Saurashtra from them seems rather fanciful IMO.  For a start there
> were some 202 of them (out of the 500+ in all India) but nearly all only
> came into existence after the breakup of the Mughal empire and the
> sultanate of Ahmedabad and the word Saurashtra is much older than that. I
> have been told 2 etymologies, from Su + rashtra "the good country" or from
> Saura + rashtra "the country of the sun worshippers."  The area has a
> higher number of Surya mandirs[1] than other parts of India and the Saura
> influence is an important part of the local culture.  For instance our
> kuladevi Randala Ma is the wife of Surya Bhagawan.
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011, vadhula at yahoo.com wrote:
>  I have heard of Sourashtran Brahmins of TN. Unlike Gujarati Brahmins,
>> many are non veg and are into silk weaving. Paradoxical ? Perhaps
>> Jaldhar Vyas can comment. They do undergo upanayana and many have taken
>> Iyer surname.
> All I know about them is from a small book written by the Gujarati
> historian I.R. Dave.[2]  In it he correlates many words of the Saurashtrian
> dialect with medieval Gujarati forms and therefore considers the idea of
> northern origin plausible.  I believe he also mentioned that the status of
> those Saurashtrians as Brahmanas was only settled in a series of court
> cases in the 19th century so more likely they are a community sui generis.
> [1] Modhera being the most famous example though only on the geographic
> outskirts of Saurashtra  see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Modhera<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modhera>
> [2] "Saurashtrians in South India" I.R. Dave, Saurashtra University Press,
> 1976
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