[Advaita-l] Is the concept of maya essential to explain advaita?

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> Mayavada is saying Jnani will see D. Pot and Clay will vanish.

>>  According to the list, D is Brahman only but not Pot not Clay.  Yes, he
> would 'see' (rather realize) brahman only nothing else, that does not mean
> after realization jagat would vanish in thin air immediately.  So, your
> conclusion about mAyAvAda is wrong and without base.
The example Mayavadi is using is Snake and Rope Illusion. He is saying
after Jnana of Rope Snake will get destroyed. Nobody will say I am
seeing Snake and Rope both. My conclusion about Mayavada is correct.
He will say World is like Snake will get destroyed when we realize
Brahman. I am saying this about Mayavada correctly. Kindly read my
earlier message in detail.


>
> This is the problem. It is not correct to say the Pot and Clay will get
> destroyed by Jnana.
>
>>  Which advaita work (or which mAyAvAdi) is saying jnAna will destroy the
> jagat??  Please give us the reference.
>
>
> The Pot and Clay will still be there but he will see the base Brahman. I
> am saying he will see G.
>
>>  As per list the G is 'Brahman and Pot and Clay'...Again you are wrong.
> There is no diversified or branched out vision for the paramArtha jnAni.
> If he see, pot and clay and brahman then it is not adviteeya, samyak
> drushti.  yattu sarvAtmabhAvAT arvAk vAlAgramapi anyatvena drushyate
> nAhamasmeeti tadavasthA avidyA, clarifies shankar.  So your siddhAnta 'G'
> is NOT advaita drushti and again has base in neither shruti nor smruti and
> AchArya bhAshya.
>
> If you look at all arguments in Mayavada they are saying world will
> get destroyed with Jnana. They say Pot will be destroyed with Jnana.
> How?
>
>>  I am sorry, this is only your assumption and you have to answer your
> own question. I dont think any advaita AchArya would say jnAna would
> destroy the jagat.  Your above statement is completely baseless.
>
>>  Rest of your mail is the result of your basic assumption about
> mAyAvAda.
>
>>  Just my observation, prabhuji, you can have more meaningful discussion
> on all these topics only and only if you provide any authentic reference
> for your statements.  Otherwise one would think these are all hopeless
> assumptions by an outsider who wants to just pass time with list members.
> Sorry, if I said anything wrong.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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