[Advaita-l] Holenarsipur Swamiji's remarks and why even Avidya is not necessary for Advaita

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 29 20:13:48 CST 2012


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Kalyan K <kalyankc.81 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sri Venkatesh,
> For the moment let us forget about whether the pot is actually real or
> not. Let us say if the pot (with its entire qualities of name, form
> etc.) is "as real as brahman" then aren't there (at least) two things
> in the universe? 1. brahman and 2. pot ?
The Pot is only in the thought of Brahman. It is real because it is
Brahman's thought. It is not false. But Brahman's thought is Dynamic
not Static. It is changing always. That is why the World is always
changing. It is not Static.

You cannot say Brahman's thought is like imagined Fantasy. For
ordinary men like us the thoughts may not be real. If I think of
elephant with wings it is not real. But Brahman is not like that.
Whatever Brahman thinks it will become reality. That is the Power of
Brahman's thought. He creates the world by simply imagining it. This
is the Power of Sankalpa of Brahman. He imagines it just for fun. This
is the Leela of Brahman.

You may have heard of Vishwamitra. For Trishanku he used his Tapas
Sakti to build a city between Svarga and Earth. If one Rishi
Vishwamitra can simply build a city withhis power can you imagine the
Power of Brahman? It is Infinite.

You cannot say there will be two things Pot and Brahman and Non
Duality is not there. Why? Because you cannot say Brahman and His
thought are two things. You cannot separate the two things. They are

You, I and all the Jeevas are in the thought of Brahman. But we are
not realizing it. Our Jnana is incomplete.

> Please answer with yes or no and justify your answer. Then we can
> carry this discussion forward.
See above.

> Sir, is the object imagined in your thought as real as you? I imagine
> an elephant with wings. It works good in imagination, but is it a
> really existing elephant? Similarly, are the objects in brahman's
> thoughts as real as brahman?
See above. We cannot compare our imagination with Brahman's imagination.

>>When you see a Pot it is not only a Pot but a Pot created in Brahman's
>>thought. How can you say the Pot is not real?
> In the above example, can you say that the elephant that my thought
> has imagined is real?
>> Now you can read the above and tell me Where is Maya? It is not necessary.
> Yes, I read the above, and logically speaking, I can guarantee that
> the dvaitin/buddhist/mimamsaka etc. will have a fun time in refuting
> your arguments.
It is not possible to refute the pure Advaita philosophy.

> Regards
> Kalyan
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