[Advaita-l] Holenarsipur Swamiji's remarks and why even Avidya is not necessary for Advaita

Kalyan K kalyankc.81 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 31 05:38:07 CST 2012

With all due respect Vidyasankarji, I think this discussion should not be
closed.  What if the same topic is started in another thread? How many
threads can be closed in this manner? Instead, I think Sri Venkatesh should
be asked to provide references for everything he writes. I know that you
have already done this before, without much success, but perhaps he should
be given another chance to state his central thesis and provide references
(from any bhAshyas, scriptures or published works) to back up his claims.
Let the members not respond to his messanges if no references are provided.
Then the thread will die automatically.


On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, you have been given vast latitude to express your half-baked views on
> this list. Some have tried to reason with you, others have tried engaging
> you
> in other kinds of dialogue. At least one member has asked you to stop.
> After
> asking you to cease the earlier thread, I let this go on for a while, just
> to give
> other list members an opportunity to engage you in a discussion and
> hopefully
> make it a meaningful one. Kudos to your unique ability to make all such
> efforts
> quite meaningless very quickly.
> Your earlier thread began with a "report" and you started asking about the
> "advaitin response" to it. The way the thread developed, it had nothing to
> do
> with either the report or a response. It became merely a heading under
> which
> you posted every single thought that happened to cross your head as if it
> were
> well reasoned philosophy. Here we are, two weeks later, and you are doing
> exactly the same thing all over again. What the Holenarsipur Swamiji said
> or
> didn't say does not seem to be the focus of your questions here. For that
> matter, you don't seem to listen to what anybody other than you says.
> So, you leave me with no choice but to pull the plug once again. Close this
> thread out no later than midnight, Tuesday, Jan 31, 2012, Indian standard
> time. I have again given you sufficient time to wind up, after giving you
> more
> than sufficient space to air your thoughts. If you or any other list member
> wants to continue this thread, take it offline. The patience of others on
> this
> list is wearing thin.
> Vidyasankar
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:21:32 +0530
> > From: vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Holenarsipur Swamiji's remarks and why even
> Avidya is not necessary for Advaita
> >
> > Namaste
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan
> > <svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > You just don't seem to get it. mAyAvAda is nothing more than pointing
> to
> > > people that they are like children, playing and having fun in dirty
> water.
> > > It is like the parent telling the child that at some point, it is
> necessary to
> > > get out of the dirt and get cleaned up. You are blaming the messenger
> > > for the content of the message, a classic misdirection.
> > Another example. Mayavada is saying avoid the water because it is
> > dirty to the thirsty man. Brahmavada is saying the water may be
> > looking like dirty water. Don't avoid it but purify it and drink it.
> > The dirty water has pure water as the base. Get the base. Here in
> > India we are always using water purifiers at home and drink it. If you
> > say give up the water people will die of thirst.
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