[Advaita-l] mleccha-s not eligible to take Hinduism??
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 14 14:57:00 CDT 2012
Can you quote any verse from any scripture in support of what you said. Parashara has not said no to girl's upanayana.
From: "vadhula at yahoo.com" <vadhula at yahoo.com>
To: praveen kumar <drpraveenks at gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] mleccha-s not eligible to take Hinduism??
Dear Sunil and all,
Harita Smriti refers toUpanayana females in prior kalpa not current one. Praveen could probably confirm re: Sweedish man with yagnopaveeta and Rangapriya Swami
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On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:33 PM, praveen kumar <drpraveenks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sri Venkataramani,
> I am not sure about horoscope catching of sookshma sarira etc.I would not want to comment on something which i do not know.
> My grandfather was one of the well respected astrologers of India and I have not heard anything of this sort,so would not want to
> Just stick to the word varna as that is the word used by Lord krishna in BG also.
> Finally,let us worry for adhikaris not following the niyama,for an anadhikari,Ishwara will guide in due course!!
> On 14 July 2012 19:46, Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sri Praveen,
> I never said birth is an accident - no event is. I clearly acknowledged that varna like the colour of the skin or the eyes is acquired at birth as a result of karma in previous births. I think it is the nature of sukshuma sarira. I also agree that jati is an indicator of varna. However, I point out the historical fact that jatis have changed. Mandal Commission reported 3000 jatis whereas Manu Smrti reported 265 (if my memory serves right). Manu himself talks about creation of new jatis as a result intermingling of Varnas. He also gives the seven generation rule for a jati to change varna through matrimony. There will always be four Varnas. There can be countless jatis and madhams (religions). Before Mohammad came, there was no Islam. But the four Varnas were there and will be forever. Humans will belong to one of these four Varnas.
> I am not talking about outward sattvic nature. It is the nature of one's sukshuma sarira and well determined through horoscope. I know that some traditional scholars hold the position that paradesis can't get adhikara for vaidhika karma. It is for them to show evidence based on shruti and smrti. All the countries described in the sruti and smrti had all the our Varnas thriving. AFAIK, There is no rule prohibiting paradesis whereas there are rules prohibiting sudras. Without showing the rules, you can't argue that dharma is violated.
> I would also ask for specific rules prohibiting upanayanam for girls.
> Best Regards
> Rajaram Venkatarmani
> On Saturday, July 14, 2012, praveen kumar wrote:
> Sri Venkataramani,
> These are all based on my discussions with late Sri Rangapriya desikan who was one of the finest exponenets of dharma shastra of the country.
> We can't think/act as we wish.These are all already fine tuned and regulated processes.
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