[Advaita-l] Eternal Loka

Rajaram Venkataramani rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Sat Aug 17 10:35:52 CDT 2013

RV: I have not responded point by point to your posts but in essence in
response to Shri Subrahmanian.
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>wrote:

> Actually there is a simpler example then that.  At bedtime you have a
> sense of self.  In the morning you have a sense of self.  Where does that
> self-knowledge go in deep sleep?
 RV: Self knowledge is there deep sleep just as the power of sight is there
in a dark room but as the mind is inactive, it does not realise it (self
knowledge) just as without light there is no realisation of the power of
sight in a dark room. In the case of Ishwara, there is no dependence of an
extraneous entity. Maya does not cover His jnana even during yoga nidra.
Also, it is present in Him as Himself.

> We have enough evidence to show that a jivan mukta is hari bhakta.
> or harabhakta or devibhakta...  P.M. Modi came from a Vallabhachari
> background.  You evidently are still affected by ISKCON propoganda.
> Advaitins were bhaktas long before any of these.  Swami Madhusudana
> Saraswati deserves credit for developing a comprehensive theory of bhakti
> and jnana but the idea that the two needed to be "reconciled" is just silly.

RV: The person I call Vasudeva is the Parameshwara. I may worship in a few
forms that I like most. You can use a different word that is less silly but
mainstream *contemporary* advaita does not admit of having Krishna Bhakti
as the supreme goal, Madhusudana and Sridhara established that Bhagavad
Bhakti as Supreme.

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