[Advaita-l] Desire, Jnana and Moksha

[H S Chandramouli]

H S CHANDRAMOULI

Dear Sri Rajaramji,

As I had mentioned earlier there are different views amongst advaitins
themselves about when a sadhaka becomes a jivanmukta. The three conditions
mentioned are as per Swami Vidyaranya in his work Jivanmuktiviveka.

Regards


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:13 AM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Shri Chandramouli, why three conditions should be satisfied? If
> ajnana is removed, then he is a mukta. The very fact he lives on makes him
> a jivan mukta. Isn't this alone enough? For the mind to relish brahma
> jnanam, however, we need mano-nasa and vasana-kshaya. My understanding of
> mano-nasa is that when I see a pot, I see it for what it really is - all
> blissful brahman non-different my self -  instead of letting the mind
> undergo modification in the form of the pot or in other words I don't see
> it. My understanding of vasana kshaya is I'm  clear of impressions from
> past experiences of the pot and there's no internal absorption in the pot.
> These two are dependent on control of the mind not the rise of knowledge
> itself. Is it not?
>
> Dear Shri Nitin, the bad qualities will be gone even when one has
> perfected naishkamya karma. He is simply interested in executing his
> svadharma. It will also be gone when one perform bhakti as his activities
> are done only for the Lord. The rise of jnana is not dependent on
> perfection in karma or bhakti though they help to make the mind pure. It is
> simply dependent on the instruction of maha vakyas and its absorption. Is
> it not? It may still leave the mind functional with its good and bad
> qualities if it was not controlled. Is it not?
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> I agree with Venkatesh Murthy. Even Sureshwaracharya in his Naishkarmya
> Siddhi clearly says a Jivanmukta is devoid of desires, anger etc
>
> -Nithin
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > The Jivanmukti being described by some members in this Advaita group is
> > against Krishna's teachings in the Gita.
> >
> > In the fifth chapter shlokas below Krishna  has very clearly given the
> > picture of Jivanmukta. He must have controlled anger and desire. He is
> > yukta and sukhee. He is Jivanmukta. He goes to Brahma Nirvana. He becomes
> > liberated. But members here are saying the Jivanmukta can have desires
> and
> > anger and greed and other bad qualities. We can conveniently say they are
> > all Prarabdha and he can enjoy Jivanmukti. This is not correct.
> >
> > shak{}notiihaiva yaH soDhuM praak{}shariiravimokshaNaat.h .
> > kaamakrodhodbhavaM vegaM sa yuk{}taH sa sukhii naraH .. 5\.23..
> >
> > yo.antaHsukho.antaraaraamastathaantarjyotireva yaH .
> > sa yogii brahmanirvaaNaM brahmabhuuto.adhigach{}chhati .. 5\.24..
> >
> > labhante brahmanirvaaNamR^ishhayaH kshiiNakalmashhaaH .
> > chhinnadvaidhaa yataatmaanaH sarvabhuutahite rataaH .. 5\.25..
> >
> > kaamakrodhaviyuk{}taanaa.n yatiinaa.n yatachetasaam.h .
> > abhito brahmanirvaaNaM vartate viditaatmanaam.h .. 5\.26..
> >
> > sparshaankR^itvaa bahirbaahyaa.nshchakshushchaivaantare bhruvoH .
> > praaNaapaanau samau kR^itvaa naasaabhyantarachaariNau .. 5\.27..
> >
> > yatendriyamanobuddhirmunirmokshaparaayaNaH .
> > vigatech{}chhaabhayakrodho yaH sadaa muk{}ta eva saH .. 5\.28..
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, H S Chandramouli
> > <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > H S CHANDRAMOULI
> > >
> > > Dear Sri Rajaramji,
> > >
> > > The answer to your question based on Jivanmuktiviveka by Sri Vidyaranya
> > is
> > > as follows
> > >
> > > For one to become a Jivanmukta, three conditions have to be satisfied
> > > namely attainment of jnana, manonasha and vasanakshya. But for
> liberation
> > > and absence of rebirth attainment of jnana alone is sufficient. It may
> be
> > > pertinent to point out that there are other views amongst advaitins on
> > the
> > > question of when a person becomes a Jivanmukta. Many are of the view
> that
> > > on attainment of jnana itself a person becomes a jivanmukta. However
> > there
> > > are no differences concerning rebirth. attainment of jnana alone is
> > > sufficient for escaping from rebirth.
> > >
> > > When Ajnana is destroyed , Jnana automatically without any further
> effort
> > > as it is Swayamprakashah. This also leads to destruction of all
> sanchita
> > > and agami karma phalas. But prarabdha karma phala can be exhausted only
> > by
> > > experiencing it. Hence the body continues to function. Dependimg on the
> > > sadhanas carriedout prior to jnana it is posssible that the other two
> > > attributes namely mano nasha and vasanakshaya might not have taken
> place.
> > > For this further nishtha in brahman is needed. After these two are also
> > > achieved he becomes a jivanmukta in this body itself.. However even
> > without
> > > these there is no rebirth for one who has attained jnana. Once the
> > current
> > > body dies, there is no further bodies to be taken.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hare Krishna! It is said that jnAna is the sole cause of liberation
> > but a
> > > > jnani need not have gone through total mano nasa and vasana kshaya.
> It
> > is
> > > > said some jnanis don't even sublate kama, krodha etc. If there are
> > > desires
> > > > are left in the mind, won't the sukshuma sarira go in to a new body
> to
> > > > enjoy that? How can there be moksha?
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