[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[Nithin Sridhar]

One must first understand what is Real and what is Unreal. The sanskrit
term for the same is Satyam and Mithyam. That which exists the way it does
eternally is called as Satya. That which has only temporary existence is
called Mithya. God is described as Satya/Real because he is eternal,
birthless and without undergoing any change. But, the world on other hand,
is temporary and undergoing change from birth to death. Hence, it is called
Mithya. As one it has only temporary existence and two it does not have
independent existence.

Now, do you deny the temporary nature of the things of the world?

-Nithin


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> How would you ascertain that the world is unreal? It is a position not
> acceptable by other astika darshanas even. Unreality is also contradicted
> by direct experience of reality of even a jnAni.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 14:30:25
> To: Rajaram Venkataramani<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for
> Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Cc: balagopal ramakrishnan<rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes. That the world is unreal is not a matter of direct experience even
> > for a jnani. Its  a position arrived at through a particular
> interpretation
> > of scriptures and is just a mental construct. Is it not?
> >
>
> The way Advaita sees it, the 'experiencing the world' itself is a product
> of avidya, adhyasa, in other words, a mental construct.   To remove that, a
> counter mental construct is advanced: to understand that the
> perceiver-perceving-perceived duality, verily a triad, is mithyA.  This is
> arrived at by the study of the upanishad with yukti, manana and
> nidhidyAsana.  On the one hand this exercise gives one the knowledge of the
> underlying Truth, Brahman, the Self and on the other the mithyAtva
> nishchaya pertaining to the world-phenomenon.  So, this nishchaya does not
> require the vanishing of the triad spoken of above.  It can co-exist with
> it.  That is called jivanmukti by Swami Vidyaranya in the Panchadashi.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
>
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:08:28
> > To: rajaramvenk at gmail.com<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for
> > Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>; A discussion group
> > for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Reply-To: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal
> >
> > >> experience of jIvan mukti
> >
> > RV Ji, isn't experience in the realm of duality contrasting moksha. i.e a
> > 'jnani' doesn't experience differently, he understands. Isn't seeing
> clay,
> > gold and ultimately brahman is all that to liberation.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Balagopal
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, 8 December 2013 11:32 AM, "rajaramvenk at gmail.com" <
> > rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > We all see a pot where a pot is. We see a rope where a rope is. We may
> > mistake a rope for a snake due to similarity but we don't mistake it a
> rope
> > for a pot, man or silver. The universal nature of our objective
> experience
> > (pot, pain etc.) should tell us that there is an objective reality
> > underlying them. If we say that the underlying reality is false, we will
> > fail to deal with them in an objective manner. The experiences of pain
> and
> > pleasure are universal to all creatures and result from the underlying
> > realities such as disease, desirable objects etc. Materialism based on
> > realism is required to focus on medical research that remove pain and
> > making iPhones that increase pleasure. Is it not?
> >
> > I agree that vedanta gyana known through meta-physical perspective
> through
> > sastras and logic is necessary for liberation or eternal bliss. Even
> there
> > we may make devices and drugs that give the experience of jIvan mukti by
> > creating the required mental modification.  I see a convergence of
> physics
> > and meta-physics in future. What do you scholars think?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > RV
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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