[Advaita-l] Mayavada Darpanam

[Karthik Venkataraman]

Hari Om,
Would the moderators please step in to cease this mindless discussion here
and now?
Humble pranams.

Karthik (KV)


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
>
> I have no personal grudge against Sringeri Swamiji. Only I am pointing out
> facts everybody can see. In Sringeri history records they have said Muslims
> rulers like Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan helped them. But the Sringeri
> Swamijis ignored what happened in Somnath in Gujarat.
>
> When they are worshipping Chandra Mauleeshwara Linga comfortably sitting in
> Sringeri how can they forget the looting and desecration of Jyotirlinga
> Somnath by Ghazni Mohammad for 17 times? How can a Mathadhipati ignore
> attacks on Hindu Kshetras and become friendly with the temple looting
> terrorists? Is Gujarat not part of Bharata Desha? Are not people of Gujarat
> following Sanatan Dharma like people in Sringeri? Some Mysore people also
> say in Tippu Sultan's time many Hindus were forcibly converted. His
> minister Purniah was Madhva follower. Even today Sringeri people think
> Tippu Sultan was good and Purniah was bad. Very strange thinking.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is is not true that a bigger crisis in the society as a whole is that
> > people are not  even adhering to Samanya Dharma of Satya etc? Sringeri
> > Guruji in most of his speech advice people to practicing Dharma. The  Q
> is
> > how many are listening?
> >
> > Secondly, Is Shankaracharya a Jagadguru or just a Guru of Vaidikas? Think
> > about it.
> >
> > Criticism of Islam on Ideological level is one thing, finding fault with
> > our Guru's is completely different. Have we become competent enough to
> > Judge or Criticize such people as Sringeri Guruji?
> > _______
> >
> > I am not saying anybody is above criticism. But, criticism should be
> > genuine and elaborate and not mere personal attacks or judgements.
> >
> > -Nithin
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > I agree with RV. The Sringeri and other Math are friendly with Muslims.
> > But
> > > Muslims are hell bent on increasing the population of Muslims by having
> > > four wives and many children with no birth control. The Sringeri
> Swamiji
> > is
> > > not able to solve the shortage of Brides for Vaidika Brahmin
> > Bridegrooms.At
> > > the same time he is happy to use gifts from Muslims and Muslim Kings.
> Why
> > > he is not asking in his speeches to give daughters in marriage to
> > Vaidikas.
> > > Is it not his duty to protect Vaidika Dharma and make it to continue
> for
> > > ever? If Vaidikas dont get wives they can not have boys to learn Vedas.
> > >
> > > I know one Madhva Swamiji has asked fathers to give daughters to
> Vaidikas
> > > to protect Vaidika Dharma.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Sri Jaldhar,
> > > >
> > > > I shared the view with the intent of protection of dharmic traditions
> > in
> > > > mind. I thought any one is welcome to share their views on this forum
> > > just
> > > > as you would allow guests in your house to speak for dharma as they
> > deem
> > > > fit. If we don't share our thoughts (and remain open to correction),
> > how
> > > > can we learn?
> > > >
> > > > If you equate vaishnavism (vishishtadvaita, dwaita etc.), which are
> > self
> > > -
> > > > consistent philosophical systems to abrahmic cults, the onus is on
> you
> > to
> > > > prove that it is the case.
> > > >
> > > > Kristhu Madha Kandanam (condemnation of christianity) by saivAcharya
> is
> > > > the only quality critique I have seen by a traditional mutt. It
> stopped
> > > > conversions in Kerala. If you know the works of traditional mutts
> that
> > > > critique Christianity and Islam in a scholarly manner, please point
> > them
> > > > out. Buddhists have done it and hence captured the imagination of
> > > > intellectuals all over the world. On the other hand, even the
> Sringeri
> > > > acharyas have defended Islam and Christianity leave alone ISKCON
> which
> > is
> > > > evangelical. Such defences can't stand the scrutiny using facts and
> > > logic.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > > RV
> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> > > > Sender: "Advaita-l" <advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> >Date:
> > > > Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:36:48
> > > > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<
> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > > > Reply-To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > > >  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Mayavada Darpanam
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Rajaram Venkataramani wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > While Hindu traditions engage in pointless polemics, missionaries
> > > convert
> > > > > and muslims do a demographic siege. How many have the courage to
> > oppose
> > > > > Islam or Christianity? Even our mathathipathis support Islam and
> > > > > Christianity unmindful of the damage they cause to traditional
> > > > institutions.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. "The pointless polemics" as you call them are equally useful
> against
> > > > anky kind of monotheism which is basically just an unsophisticated
> > > dvaita.
> > > >
> > > > 2.  The future of Hinduism belongs to the educated not illiterates no
> > > > matter how much they beat their chests and "oppose."
> > > >
> > > > 3.  You have no idea what the author is doing or not doing.  You have
> > no
> > > > idea what anyone on this list is doing or not doing.  So keep your
> > > > editorializing to yourself it is not welcome here.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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> > > -Venkatesh
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>
> -Venkatesh
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