[Advaita-l] Eternal Loka

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Namaskarams. If Vaikuntha and Kailasa are not bautika, then what are they made of? Also, if they are not in vyavahara realm, how is vyavaharam possible in these lokas? My original question was whether vaikuntha and kailasa are eternal lokas in vyavahara realm but from what you say they seem to be paramarthika as per advaita though different to advaita siddhi. Is that a correct understanding of your view? If so, how can that be true as only advaita siddhi is paramarthika? 
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From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Eternal Loka

Shree Rajaram - PraNAms. You should know too, if I may say so. Vaikunta and kailasa do not come under the Bhoutika prapancha that consists of 14 lokas. In the krama mukti the highest is satya loka where jiiva either come back to the earth or gets Vedantic knowledge from Brahmaji and gets liberated at the end of that loka.
 
Vaikunta and Kailaasa are supposed to be where mukta jiivas go, and therefore do not come under vyaavahaarika lokas as per Advaita. As per vishishTaadvaita, for example - they are lokas where there is no return back since they are liberated even though they will be transacting with each other and also serving the Lord, while enjoying infinite happiness. 
 
Advaita does not accept such mukti where duality persists; and since they are not part of the 14 lokas of the bhoutika prapanca they are not accepted in that category also.  udaramantaram kurute athathasya bhayam bhavati - even a spec of difference will cause fear and therefore samsara, and hence as per advaita there is no freedom from samsara even in VaikunTa. Such conditioned freedom is not accepted by Advaita even under karma mukti also.
Just my 2c.
Hari Om!
Sadananda
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