[Advaita-l] Eternal Loka

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

There is a contradiction in the following two statements about what happens
on mahapralaya. Do Ishwara and Vedas become one Parabrahman or Ishwara
(Avyakta)? The key question for the topic of our discussion is what happens
to the infinite knowledge of Ishwara. It has to exist in some state or else
it will be impossible to resume the universe.

Ishwar neither "dies" nor does shruti become "non-existent". They merge
(i.e. lose separate identity) in the *parabrahman*. They are then
regenerated in a new cycle of creation. Seems pretty obvious to me from a
reading of Advaita Vedanta.

The *Ishwara* tattvam in Advaita is none other than the *avyaktam* with
chaitanyam of the Mandukya upanishad sixth mantra. All the earlier manifest
prapancha is now in the unmanifest, avyakta, state. The Vedas too remain in
*avyakta *form, only for being 'brought out' in the next creation in vyakta
form.


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Others have addressed some of these points. Let me just point out that
> > the
> > > key
> > > point involved would be how you understand what is meant by eternality.
> > If
> > > vyavahAra is thought of as eternal in a timeless sense, then there is
> no
> > > moksha
> > > for anybody. If vyavahAra is thought of as a process that lasts long
> > > (pravAha
> > > nityatva) and keeps on going till one gets out of it through jnAna,
> then
> > > that
> > > kind of eternality is acceptable to advaitins.
> > >
> > > Let me also point out that the Sruti also re-emerges as before. It does
> > > not stay
> > > untouched by pralaya and the start of a new kalpa. It requires new
> Rshi-s
> > > in every
> > > new kalpa to whom it will reveal itself.
> > >
> > > RV: I will come to Shri Subrahmanian's post as I need to review it.
> What
> > > happens to sarvajna Ishwara and Vedas during Mahapralaya? Rishis only
> see
> > > sabda that exists.
> >
>
> The Ishwara tattvam in Advaita is none other than the avyaktam with
> chaitanyam  of the Mandukya upanishad sixth mantra.  In pralaya there is
> not even time.  All the earlier manifest prapancha is now in the
> unmanifest, avyakta, state.  We have heard of BrahmA's sleep.  Ishwara is
> not a person with any fixed form.  All the forms that are talked of for
> Ishwara are posited on that non-person for upAsana purposes.  The Vedas too
> remain in avyakta form, only for being 'brought out' in the next creation
> in vyakta form.  It is certainly not non-existence from which everything
> emerges.  That is why these entities are accorded a pravAha nityatvam
> distinct from the kUTastha nityatvam of the nirvikAri nirguNa brahman.
>
> vs
>
>
>
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