[Advaita-l] Reply to Sri Vidyamanya Tirtha's observations

[Sujal Upadhyay]

Dear HSC ji,

By saying that sanYAsa is a mental state does not mean that external
renunciation is useless. One has to develop sanyAsa and retain it. A
sanyAsin is not the one who wears ochre coloured cloth.

By saying it is mental occupation, I was giving stress to mental state than
outward appearance. I was not denying it.

You tell me, of what use is ipad, iMAC and iPOD and all those i stuff have
to do with sanyAsa. What is the use of mobile? is it necessary? can you
survive without mobile? if yes, then drop it. Again, why you need iphone?
why not Rs 1000 phone acceptable.

If you argue, it is God's wish that I received in donation, then I would
humbly keep requesting a monk to take poison. :D

It is option to accept gift or donations. It is not compulsory.

Do you think that after 50 or 75 years all of the hindus took sanyAsa?
Please give reason behind your answer.

If by doing nitya karma your chitta is purified, then all should take
sanyasa at appropriate age. If they are not taking means nitya karma is not
giving chitta shudhia. Right? what is your opinion?

Again, one person takes sanyasa by performing same nitya karma, but for
very short period time. How is this possible? his this guy a thug?

What is important, action or mind (bhAva, intention) along with goal?

Is action jaDA or chetan?
is mind jaDA or chetan w.r.t to action?

What has to be given more importance? You suggest.

Hari OM


OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:22 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> wrote:

> H S CHANDRAMOULI
>
> Dear Sri Bhaskarji/Sujalji,
>
> A small correction. For  " Sanyasa Ashrama is a way of life " please read
> it as " Sanyasa Ashrama is an Order of Life " ( one of the four Orders of
> Life Bramacharya/grihastha/vanaprastha/sanyasa Ashramas ).
>
> regards
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > H S CHANDRAMOULI
> >
> > Dear Sri Bhaskarji,
> >
> > I am sorry to totally disagree with your views.
> >
> > frstly a sadhka who has gone through the sadhana almost to completuion
> but
> > does not get jnana due to pratibandhakas he is not considered a patita.
> He
> > continues from this level in his future births and when the pratibandhaka
> > is overcome he automatically gets jnana. This is what is stated by Lord
> > Krishna in the Geetha as well as mentioned by Bhagavatpada in Sutra
> > Bhashya.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for jnana being adheena to sanyasaashrama, i really feel you are not
> > serious in making such a statement. By saying only good persons can
> attain
> > jnana, are we making jnana adheena to goodness.
> >
> > Eligibility of various ashramis is extensively discussed by Bhagavatpada
> > under Sutra Bhashyas 3-4-17 to 3-4-20. As also in Chandogya 2-23-1. I am
> > not aware of earlier discussions in this forum dating several years back.
> > It would be a pity if you were to come to conclusions without going
> through
> > these extensive and engrossing bhashyas. I do urge you at least as a
> matter
> > of further interest to do so and then reply.
> >
> > Dear Sujalji,
> >
> > I cant disagree with you more when you say sanyasa is a mental occupation
> > and not a way of life. Surprisingly the Poorvapakshin in Sutra 3-4-19
> takes
> > the stand that sanyasa ashrama is not supported by shrutis at all and is
> > only mentioned in smritis. This is what is rebutted by Bhagavatpada. In
> > Advaita Vedanta at least, Bhagavatpada has categorically mentioned it as
> a
> > way of life and not just a mental state in any ashrams.  As for catching
> > the contents and not the container, it is a basic tenet of Advaita
> vedanta
> > that the container automatically drops once you catch the contents (
> > brahman ) , but you are not to eschew the container before catching the
> > contents.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >> I have a small correction to make in your reply.
> >>
> >> >  IMHO, no correction is required in Sri Vidya prabhuji's statement.
>  We
> >> have discussed this topic in detail some years back in this very forum.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bhagavatpada is very clear that at this stage of one's sadhana it is
> >> absolutely essential to take to sanyasa ashrama for reaching the Goal of
> >> Brahma jnana( ref Brahma Sutra Bhashya 3-4-20. This also has cross
> >> references to various shruti / smriti vakyas .
> >>
> >> >  Yes, shankara emphasizes the importance of taking formal saNyAsa for
> >> brahma jignAsa.  But point to be noted here is brahma jnAna /
> realization
> >> can happen to any sincere mumukshu irrespective of his Ashrama.  Hope
> you
> >> would agree with me that brahma jnAna / realization is not saNyAsa
> Ashrama
> >> adheena.
> >>
> >> It is only in exceptional
> >> cases that this jnana arises even in persons ( like king Janaka or
> >> Vamadeva
> >> for example ) who are in other ashramas
> >>
> >> >  shankara gives other examples also in sUtra bhAshya and clearly says
> >> all the 4 varNAshrami-s (including stree-s) are eligible to get the
> >> ultimate knowledge.
> >>
> >> but it is concluded that in such cases they would have undergone the due
> >> process of sanyasa ashrama in one
> >> of their earlier janmas.
> >>
> >> >  interestingly, if these souls have undergone saNyAsa in earlier janma
> >> and currently assuming gruhastAshrama,  then these souls can be
> considered
> >> as patitA-s from the antyAshrama. And shankara says there is no
> >> prAyaschitta for these patita-s :-))
> >>
> >> >  Anyway, this is not anyway an attempt to belittle the importance of
> >> saNyAsa as an Ashrama in brahma jignAsa.
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >> bhaskar
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