[Advaita-l] Padmapurana verse on Mayavada

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

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>RV : Advaita negates the world, jiva and Ishwara calling it all an illusion or maya that exists so far as there is ignorance.
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>For Brahman there is no phenomenal world, no Jeeva and no Ishvara. Brahman is above all these. So also the Brahmavid. I am sure this will go over the head any non-advaitin as the Advaitin alone can understand this.
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>2)
>QUOTE
>SKB :On
 the other hand there is no liberation for the Vaishnavas as the 
Bhagavatam clearly states that the pure devotees do not want to get 
liberated at the cost of service to the Lord and therefore they do not 
accept any type of liberation. The relevant verse is as follows:
>sAlokyasArShTisAmIpya
>sArUpyaikatvamapyuta
>dIyamAnaM na grihnanti vinA matsevanaM
>janaH, (Bhagavatam 3.29.13)
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RV: Please read the next verse. These high class devotees attain vishnu bhava because their goal is bhakti not even mukti.  
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SKB :The subsequent two verses only confirm what I wrote. I did not say  that Bhakti goes waste. What I said is that those with pure bhakti  don't get any type of Mukti, as bhakti incapacitates them to desire Mukti. They may be able to deal with the three gunas better,  but they cannot be nistraigunya as long they cherish bhakti alone. They can be happy in their state as long as they remain devoted to the Lord but the Mukti is not for them. 

The Advaita is for the Mukti and that too the highest or the ultimate type of  Mukti, the Ekatva. Thus there is a paradigm difference between the Bhakti marga and the Jnana marga and it is sheer irrationality to compare Advata with Non-Advaita.





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 From: Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> 
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Padmapurana verse on Mayavada
 




On Saturday, September 7, 2013, Sunil Bhattacharjya  wrote:

>mAyAvAdam
>asac-chAstram
>pracchannaM bauddhaM ucyate
>mAyaiva vihitaM
>devI
... 
 Maya or Prakrti does not exist (for him or her) and also realizes that the
>so-called pre-liberation stage was only a superimposition. 
RV: In Buddhism, there is no real entity. In Advaita, there is an entity but it does not even know I exist. Essentially, there is no difference between the two. Hence it is called covered Buddhism. Advaita negates the world, jiva and Ishwara calling it all an illusion or maya that exists so far as there is ignorance. Hence it is called Mayavadam. It is said to be asat sastram (untrue reading of sastras) because vaishnavas believe that there is a real world and consequently a real creator with who we have a relationship. It also talks about giving up all karma, where as vaishnavas believe that devotional activities should not be given up even by a sannyasi. Sridhara and Madhusudana defend Advaita against the onslaught of bhakti tradition by integrating bhakti and advaita. But they are not accepted by mainstream it seems. 
 
On the other hand there is no liberation for the Vaishnavas as the Bhagavatam clearly states that the pure devotees do not want to get liberated at the cost of service to the Lord and therefore they do not accept any type of liberation. The relevant verse is as follows:
>sAlokyasArShTisAmIpya
>sArUpyaikatvamapyuta
>dIyamAnaM na grihnanti vinA matsevanaM
>janaH, (Bhagavatam 3.29.13)
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RV: Please read the next verse. These high class devotees attain vishnu bhava because their goal is bhakti not even mukti.