[Advaita-l] Padmapurana verse on Mayavada

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

Dear Shri Sunil,

There is no need for commentary if you understand that a pure bhakta
attains the supreme state of vishnu simply by the power of devotion though
he does not even desire liberation what to speak of temporary material
gains. Even advaita jnanam comes to him on its own accord.

sa eva *bhakti-yogākhya*
ātyantika udāhṛtaḥ
*yenātivrajya tri-guṇaṁ*
*mad-bhāvāyopapadyate*

However, if your mind plays with the direct words of smrti, you have to go
to bhashya or a guru who as bhagavad bhakti. There are 11 extant
commentaries on SBh and it is not an insult to Vyasa but the statement of
its profound nature.

Best Regards
Rajaram Venkataramani




On Monday, September 9, 2013, Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:

> 1)
> SKB : "yenātivrajya tri-guṇaṁ" does not mean one becoming traigunya.
>
> RV: Please check Sridhara Swamin's purport and then we can come to yours
> if it is inadequate.
>
> SKB : Shridharaswami reluctantly wrote the commentary on the Bhagavatam
> only at the behest of his guru, who commanded him (Shridharaswami) to write
> the commentary only to set right the  wrong interpretation of the
> Bhagavatam by Madhvacharya. For any intelligent person reading the
> commentary on the Bhagavatam to understand the Bhagavatam is an insult to
> Vedavyasa. Vedavyasa clearly stated  that he wrote the Bhagavatam so that
> one and all should understand the Bhagfavatm. If you say that you do not
> understand what is written in the Bhagavatam without the help of a
> commenatary then I shall be constarined to take that you are not worthy of
> reading the Bhagavatam.
>
> 2)
> SKB :You are not right in assuming that the Advaitin desires for Mukti.
>
>
> RV: What is the purpose of sravana, manana and nidhidhyasana if it is not
> for moksha? On the other hand, a pure bhakta loves god out of natural
> attraction. He does not desire moksha.
> SKB : Oh, now we can see why you could not understand Advaita so far. For
> your information the Advaitin do not want to be in the dark. The Advaitin
> stalwarts had understood well the Upanishads
> including  the Mahavakyas and that had told them that the Brahmavid is no
> different from Brahman. If you are not able to understand this simple
> thing, it may be better for you to pray to Lord Krishna to give you the
> Advaita Jnana. Krishna-bhaktas never perish but they remain in the dark as
> long as they do not have the Advaita Jnana but without the Advaita Jnana
> they cannot become one with Krishna
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com <javascript:;>>; A
> discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<javascript:;>
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> Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Padmapurana verse on Mayavada
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  "yenātivrajya tri-guṇaṁ" does not mean one becoming traigunya.
> RV: Please check Sridhara Swamin's purport and then we can come to yours
> if it is inadequate.
>
> >
> You are nor right in assuming that the Advaitin desires for Mukti.
> RV: What is the purpose of sravana, manana and nidhidhyasana if it is not
> for moksha? On the other hand, a pure bhakta loves god out of natural
> attraction. He does not desire moksha.
>
> >The Bhagavatam itself says that the Bhakta does not get any type of
> Mukti. Anybody with open mind will  very well understand that the mental
> state of the Bhakta is such that he prefers to stay in the dark by clinging
> to the Ishvara through the rope of Bhakti and does not want to open the
> door to get the light of Jnana. The Advaita jnana may not come to such
> people in one birth.
> >
> >
> RV: If you are not qualified and follow the path of jnana, you run the
> risk of becoming unhappy. On the other hand, Bhakti does not need
> qualification as we see from countless examples in smrti and legends.
> Also, there is no risk for a bhakta. If he does not get atma jnana, he will
> be born in a family of yogis etc. and continue.  Krisha says my devotee
> never perishes. A bhakta may reject five types of moksha but he
> nevertheless gets vishnu bhava - mad-bhāvāyopapadyate.
> sa eva bhakti-yogākhya
> ātyantika udāhṛtaḥ
> yenātivrajya tri-guṇaṁ
> mad-bhāvāyopapadyate
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
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