[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Seeking clarification on Bri. Up. Mantra 1-4-2

[H S Chandramouli]

Dear Sri Venkateshmurthyji,

I have checked again. You are right. The three volumes I have do not cover
the Vartika fully. In the preface to the third volume the author does
mention that further volumes will appear in due course. However I have not
come across any other volumes.I am not sure if they were published or not.
But the english translation I have , by Shoun Hino/KP Jog, appears to be
complete ( set of 13 volumes ).

Regards


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> The volumes are titled Sambandha Vartika, volumes 1/2/3. Left out in
> earlier mail.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Sri venkateshmurthyji. The Vartika is covered in three volumes,
>> first vol dealing with Sambandha Vartika while the 2/3 rd volumes deal with
>> the BUB proper. I think entire vartika is covered. 1st vol has 1136 verses,
>> 2nd has 227 ( 2nd brahmana ) + 389 ( 3rd brahmana ) verses  while the 3rd
>> volume has 1844 ( 4th brahmana ) + 390 ( 5th brahmana ) verses.Very well
>> written introduction  summarizes the associated portions. You can walk into
>> the chamarajpet shankaramutt book store and quite a few very old copies are
>> available mostly in dilapidated condition !!!!!!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Sri Chandramouli Mahodaya
>>> Where is Krishna Jois translation of Brihadaranyaka Vartika available? Is
>>> the COMPLETE translation available or only a part? Vartika is a big text
>>> and will require many volumes to translate.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:47 PM, H S Chandramouli
>>> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Sri Kuntimaddiji,
>>> >
>>> > I have tried to answer some of your queries based on Sri
>>> Sureshwaracharya's
>>> > Vatika translated into english by Shoun Hino/KP Jog , and into kannada
>>>  by
>>> > Sri Krishna Jois, a very learned vedantin.
>>> >
>>> > K ::
>>> >
>>> > <<  How did viraj gained the knowledge of unity or who instructed him
>>> about
>>> > that knowledge. >>
>>> >
>>> > H  ::
>>> >
>>> > This is answered in the verses 77 - 90 of the vartika. Just as Viraj
>>> gained
>>> > birth of such an exalted status  due to his accumulated punya of a very
>>> > high order, even so he gained knowledge without any external aids like
>>> > guru, shastra etc for the same reason. It is commonly noticed in this
>>> world
>>> > also instances of men with intelligence, power of grasping, memory,
>>> > firmness and clarity translating them into knowledge through
>>> instruments of
>>> > action which have originated from ( earlier ) holy acts, so also (
>>> would
>>> > they be ) in the case of the highly endowed Viraj. In this context the
>>> > following Manu smrti is cited in the Vartika << jnanamapratigham yasya
>>> > vairagyam cha jagatpateh I aisvryam chaiva dharmashcha sahasidham
>>> > chatushtayam II >> translated as << In the case of the Lor of the
>>> world, (
>>> > the four, viz ) vairagya, aisvrya, dharma, and unbounded ( or,
>>> unobstructed
>>> > ) knowledge are born together with him >> . This is cited to prove the
>>> the
>>> > clarity of Viraj's knowledge. Viraj and his knowledge etc coexist. The
>>> word
>>> > " sahasidham "  means knowledge is gained without any external aids,
>>> not
>>> > that they were existing at the time of birth itself. The possible
>>> objection
>>> > that then such aids are not necessary for anyone is not valid. They
>>> are not
>>> > required only for persons of such high calibre. For others with a much
>>> > lower order of spiritual attainments they are essential.An illustration
>>> > given in the Vartika in this regard is that of cats and owls being
>>> able to
>>> > see objects in darkness withought the need for any light. whereas for
>>> > humans light is essential to see through darkness.
>>> >
>>> > There are a number of other detailed reasons also advanced in the
>>> verses
>>> > 77-90 which I have not brought out here.
>>> >
>>> > K  ::
>>> >
>>> > <<
>>> >
>>> > Further objection – if that is so he should have no fear.
>>> >
>>> > The response to this is somewhat lengthy and does not directly
>>> addresses
>>> > the objection, as I see.
>>> > It boils down to either to say he does not have full knowledge that he
>>> is
>>> > Brahman and therefore has only partial knowledge that he is one
>>> without a
>>> > second but not that he is infiniteness or aham brahmaasmi, even though
>>> he
>>> > knows that he is one without a second. Hence he is still born, since
>>> he did
>>> > upaasana (Bri. Up. 1-3-28 on asatoma satgamaya,.etc) with a desire to
>>> > become Hiranya garbha in the next life.
>>> >
>>> >  I felt that the discussion in Shankara bhaashhya does not directly
>>> > addresses the objection that was raised. From my understanding he has
>>> the
>>> > knowledge similar to who am I inquiry where one can arrive at the I am
>>> all
>>> > alone since anything else  is not I and hence inert – that is just tvam
>>> > padaartha vichaara and does not yet involve tat padartha vichaara and
>>> the
>>> > mahavaakya vichaara. But Bhaashya seems to imply something else,
>>> unless I
>>> > misunderstood its implication. >>
>>> >
>>> > H ::
>>> >
>>> > Viraj has fear only before knowledge. Not afterwards.The Bhashya next
>>> > proceeds with the reasons for Viraj feeling " lonely " ( absence of
>>> Delight
>>> > ) after gaining knowledge. I am not sure if you are refering to this
>>> when
>>> > you say <<
>>> > But Bhaashya seems to imply something else, unless I misunderstood its
>>> > implication. >> Kindly clarify.
>>> >
>>> > Have I really addressed any of the points raised by you. I am myself
>>> not
>>> > very sure.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
>>> > kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > PraNams - some typo as usual
>>> > > it says:
>>> > >
>>> > > Further objection – if that is so he should have fear. -
>>> > >
>>> > > Correction:
>>> > >
>>> > > Further objection: If that is so, he should not have fear.
>>> > >
>>> > > Hari Om!
>>> > > Sadananda
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