[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Seeking clarification on Bri. Up. Mantra 1-4-2

[V Subrahmanian]

On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Dear Sri Kuntimaddiji,
>
> Enjoyment of that position entails the desire ( arathi ) for Creation also
> . That is how and why he continues to discharge the functions of that
> position even after attaining knowledge. Due to prarabdha karma phala. This
> is the answer given by the verse 103 << apyuttannatmabodhanam
> adhikaraasamaptitah I aratyadi yatha drishtam tathaiva syaat prajapateh II
> >> translated as << just as  for those who have attained knowledge desire
> etc continue to appear to arise since the adhikara ( prarabdha karma in my
> understanding ) is not exhausted , even so is the case with Prajapathi (
> Viraj in this context ) >>.
>
> Namaste

I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi' which
means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite of
rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify?

Thanks
vs


> I presume that answers the issue suitably.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Sat, 4/19/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Viraj has fear only before knowledge. Not afterwards.The Bhashya next
> > proceeds with the reasons for Viraj feeling " lonely " ( absence of
> Delight
> > ) after gaining knowledge. I am not sure if you are refering to this when
> >  you say << But Bhaashya seems to imply something else, unless I
> > misunderstood its
> >  implication. >> Kindly clarify.
> >
> >  Have I really addressed any of the points raised by you. I am myself not
> >
> > ------------------
> > Chandaramouliji  - PraNAms .Thanks for the response.
> >
> > Jiiva got the viraj position by the purification of the mind doing the
> > upaasana, say that exemplified in precious chapter of Bri. Up (1-3-28) on
> > asatoma sadgamaya etc. The upaasana does not give the knowledge of
> oneness
> > by itself. If has gained the knowledge of oneness, that is incomplete
> since
> > he is taking the birth again as Viraj since if he had that knowledge of
> > oneness he should be free from birth. In addition the very  desire to
> > become viraj and the subsequent upaasana shows that he did not have
> > knowledge of oneness since desire involves something other than what one
> is.
> >
> > If he did not have complete knowledge but just enough knowledge without
> > any instruction, what kind of knowledge of oneness is that? He knows he
> is
> > one without a second, and still feels he is lonely. The loneliness and
> the
> > associated fear comes if one finds there is no other jiivas, but there is
> > vast world other than himself. The knowledge which he remembered from the
> > past life (since there was no one to teach viraj) eliminated the fear but
> > not the loneliness as the subsequent mantras indicated.
> >
> > The objection that was raised was not addressed in the subsequent
> > bhaashya, as I understand. Yet there are pages of bhaashya in response to
> > the objection raised. Hence my post.
> >
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
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