[Advaita-l] The Concept of krama mukti in Advaita

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

I think my point was lost in the message.

He could be making the point Saguna Brahma is very very close approximation
for Nirguna Brahma. If we worship Him it is practically like Nirguna
worship. Is it correct? We have to investigate. If Saguna Brahma is very
very close form of Nirguna the Vaishnavas argument to treat Saguna Brahma
as Para Brahman is correct. This we have to research.

I want to know if Adi Sankara has loosely mixed Saguna Brahma like Vishnu
with Nirguna Brahma in Gita Bhashya. In some cases he seems using it like
that.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste
>>
>> A good article to show Saguna Brahman is not Para Brahman. But I remember
>> some book by Visistadvaita Sampradaya giving this example of Ganga water.
>> In Varanasi the Ganga is flowing in canals and taps and comes to every
>> home. They even wash the feet with sacred Ganga. If you see later the
>> Ganga
>> water is flowing as sewage water also. It is having bad smell and impure.
>> Any intelligent person will not say the sewage water is Parama Pavana
>> Ganga
>> and drink it. If he drinks it will cause him harm only.
>>
>> Like this example the Advaita Brahman has become everything in the world
>> but we cannot worship Brahman in everything. We cannot take a stone on the
>> street and say it is Brahman. We have to recognize and worship the Pure
>> form of Brahman. This purest form is the Vishnu form.
>
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> Dear Sri Venkatesh,
>
> For each devotee his ishṭa devatā is above every other deity.  Here is a
> verse from Bhartṛhari:
>
> महेश्वरे वा जगतामधीश्वरे
> जनार्दने वा जगदंतरात्मनि ।
> न वस्तुभेदप्रतिपत्तिरस्ति मे
> तथापि भक्तिस्तरुणेंदुशेखरे ॥
> - वैराग्यशतकम्  84
>
> Lord Shiva, who is the owner of this world, or Lord Vishnu who is in every
> one’s conscience – I do not differentiate between them. Both are equal to
> me. But when it comes to worshiping, I worship the God with young moon on
> his head (Shiva). A mendicant would definitely identify with Shiva because
> Lord Shiva himself is said to have led a very ascetic life.
>
> One can't explain why and wherefore of one's attraction to a particular
> deity.
>
> regrads
>
> subrahmanian.v
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>> You can say that is
>> also Mithya form but the difference between Saguna form and the Nirguna is
>> very very small and not the same BIG difference between stone on the
>> street
>> and Brahman.
>>
>> Or if you say it is a mistake to say Saguna Brahma is same as Para Brahman
>> but the mistake is very very minute mistake. Because it is so very very
>> minute mistake it can be ignored. You will achieve your desired result. If
>> you recognize stone on the street as Brahman it is a very very big
>> mistake.
>> Even after a thousand years you will not get any result.
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:44 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> > Here is an article on the above topic:
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>> >
>> >
>> http://www.mediafire.com/download/j7dw1zft1djjodx/Krama+mukti+in+Advaita.docx
>> >
>> > The article is written with a view to clear some misconceptions on this
>> > topic.
>> >
>> > subrahmanian.v
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>> -Venkatesh
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