[Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Chandramouliji - PraNAms

Shruti being inert it is mithyaa. Krishna has two components - the conscious part and inert part - the inert part is mithyaa and the conscious part is sOham or not different from myself - by bhaaga tyaga lakshana. Hence when someone ask what is the status of Narayana or Krishna or any God for that matter, one should ask first what they mean Narayana - If their identification marks are only shankachakra etc then they are mithyaa since naama and ruupa are mithyaa. If they identiy as vishvaadhaaram gagana saDriSham - as unmanifested conscious entity then that is not different from I am. Hence one should answer depending on who is asking the question. narAnAm ayanam yasya saH nArAyaanaH - who is the shelter for all the jiivas. Purusha is defined as the Lakshi's Husband - Lakshmi is the prakRiti and daara or wife and the one who dhAryate - supports or carries her is NArAyana, the unmanifest purusha.  In the vaishnava tradition, one can go to NArAyana only via
 Lakshmi  hence the term Sri Vaishanva as Sri has to come first before Vishnu. 

Just my 2c
Hari Om!
Sadananda. 




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On Thu, 2/6/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 2:16 AM
 
 For that matter, they also ask what
 is the status of Reality of Lord
 Krishna himself . We can answer <<like shruti, he is
 also mithya >> . While
 they have no problem in accepting shruti as mithya ( even
 interpreted as
 Unreal ) they do have a mental  obstacle in accepting
 the same for Lord
 Krishna.
 
 Regards
 
 
 On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, H S Chandramouli
 <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
 
 > By << status >> I mean status concerning
 Reality.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 >
 > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, H S Chandramouli <
 > hschandramouli at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >> HS Chandramouli
 >>
 >> Sri Subrahmanianji wrote
 >>
 >> << In the Vivekachudamani we have a
 verse  नारायणोऽहं
 नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I
 >> am
 >> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it
 would hardly be correct to
 >> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is
 the consort of Lakshmi.
 >> In Advaita expressions like 
 नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do
 not refer to the
 >> personal God.
 >>
 >> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to
 JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
 >> and
 >> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA.
 >>
 >>
 >> I am not interpreting any particular verse or
 shruti vakyas as referring
 >> to a specific form/name. All I am saying is that in
 our puranas there are
 >> any number of references to Narayana as residing in
 Vaikuntha/milky ocean
 >> etc. And many of my friends were keen to know the
 status of such a personal
 >> God like Narayana in advaita . That is all.
 >>
 >> Regards
 >>
 >>
 >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM, V Subrahmanian
 <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
 >> > wrote:
 >>
 >>> In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse 
 नारायणोऽहं
 नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I am
 >>> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it
 would hardly be correct to
 >>> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who
 is the consort of Lakshmi.
 >>> In Advaita expressions like 
 नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do
 not refer to the
 >>> personal God.
 >>>
 >>> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to
 JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
 >>> and
 >>> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to
 ignorance/avidyA.
 >>>
 >>> subrahmanian.v
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM, H S
 Chandramouli
 >>> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
 >>>
 >>> > HS Chandramouli
 >>> >
 >>> > So many shruti vakyas have been cited in
 this thread to highlight the
 >>> > advaitic concept of Narayana. However
 there are so many references in
 >>> our
 >>> > shastras , shruti/purana etc , to Narayana
 with a definite form,
 >>> endowed
 >>> > with ayudhas/ornaments etc , and involved
 in so many activities . Many
 >>> of
 >>> > my advaita friends have always had a doubt
 on advaita's stand
 >>> regarding the
 >>> > reality status of this Narayana vis a vis
 rest of the creation. This
 >>> has
 >>> > been eulogized so much that while they
 have no difficulty in accepting
 >>> the
 >>> > mithyatvam of rest of the creation (
 mostly interpreted as
 >>> unreal/false )
 >>> > same is not so with regard to this
 Narayana. Sri Ramanujacharya cites
 >>> the
 >>> > Narayanasukta which according to him
 refers to this Narayana as the
 >>> only
 >>> > authoritative shruti to identify the
 Highest Truth ( supported by Sri
 >>> > Vishnumaha Purana ) . Ofcourse in most of
 their discourses the
 >>> dvaitins do
 >>> > not forget to mention that advaita does
 not  accept the reality of even
 >>> > such a Narayana !!!!!!!! Perhaps there is
 a need to answer the question
 >>> > with specific reference to this Narayana.
 I have tried to answer them
 >>> as
 >>> > follows.
 >>> >
 >>> > << Narayana as distinct
 from/different from/ separate from /
 >>> independant of
 >>> > I the Consciouness is Mithya.
 >>> >
 >>> >      Narayana as same as /
 nondifferent from / nondistinct from /
 >>> identical
 >>> > with I the Consciouness is Sathya 
 >>
 >>> >
 >>> > May be better ways are available to answer
 the question.
 >>> >
 >>> > Regards
 >>> >
 >>> >
 >>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Venkatesh
 Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
 >>> > >wrote:
 >>> >
 >>> > > Namaste
 >>> > >
 >>> > > The Narayana name is very holy
 because Mahabharata and Bhagavata say
 >>> -
 >>> > > Naaraayanam Namaskrutya Naram Chaiva
 NarOttamam. In Bhagavata the
 >>> story
 >>> > of
 >>> > > Ajamila is given. He was a great
 sinner. But he called his son's name
 >>> > > Narayana at the time of death when
 Yama Dootas were pulling him but
 >>> God
 >>> > > Narayana protected him.
 >>> > > The Naaraayana Ashtakshari Mantra is
 compulsory for Vaishnavas. When
 >>> they
 >>> > > do the Purusha Sukta homa also they
 say every line from Pursha Sukta
 >>> and
 >>> > > then Om Namo Naaraayanaaya Swaahaa"
 after each line. It gives a good
 >>> > effect
 >>> > > for Purusha Sukta Homa.
 >>> > >
 >>> > > In Advaita Naaraayana is Brahman
 only. Narayana Upanishad is saying
 >>> > > 'Naaraayana Evedagm Sarvam Yadbhutam
 Yacca Bhavyam. Nishkalo
 >>> Niranjano
 >>> > > Nirvikalpo Niraakhyaataha Shuddho
 Deva Eko Naaraayanaha. Na Dviteeyo
 >>> Asti
 >>> > > Kashchit. Ya Evam Veda. Sa Vishnureva
 Bhavati. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati.
 >>> > > Everything in past, present and
 future is Naraayaana only. He who
 >>> knows
 >>> > > this becomes Vishnu. He becomes
 Vishnu. The Naaraayana Ashtakshara is
 >>> > given
 >>> > > next by the Upanishad.
 >>> > >
 >>> > > Complete text of Upanishad.
 >>> > > http://www.sathyasaiottawa.org/pdf/Vedam/Narayana_Upanishad.pdf
 >>> > >
 >>> > > Namo Naaraayanaaya. Namo
 Venkateshaaya.
 >>> > >
 >>> > >
 >>> > > --
 >>> > > Regards
 >>> > >
 >>> > > -Venkatesh
 >>> > >
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