[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence

[V Subrahmanian]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Dear Sri Venkatashamurthyji,
>
> You wrote  <<  Creation in Drishti Srishti Vada is simultaneous. Because
> when That One saw
> > at that same time simultaneously ALL Creation happened. The Four Varnas
> and
> > Rishis, animals, all the worlds and the whole creation happened
> immediately
> > and simultaneously.>>
>
> Can you please clarify where exactly this has been stated in shruti/bhashya
> ? Prima facie it appears to me to be in contradiction to Karika 2-16 (
> vaitathya prakarana, verse 16 ). I would be grateful if the verse itself
> can be elaborated upon.
>

In the book 'srIdakShiNamUrtistotram' Vol.1, p.132 there is a sub-title
''kramasRShTi, yugapatsRShTi.'  There, for the latter, there is a reference
from the kauShItakI upaniShad 3.3 is given:

Quote
yathA agneH jvalataH sarvaa disho visphulingA vipratiShTeran evameva
etasmAt AtmanaH sarve prANA yathAyatanam vipratiShThante prANebhyo devA
devebhyo lokAH.

[Even as sparks proceed in all directions from blazing fire, even so from
this Self the vital breaths proceed to their respective stations, from the
vital powers the Gods (the sense powers) and from the Gods, the worlds.]
Unquote

In the same vein we can see the muNDaka shruti 2.2.1 and a Br.up. mantra
too.

regards
subrahmanian.v


>
> Regards
>
> chandramouli
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:03 AM, ramesh badisa <badisa66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Namaskaram.
> >
> > At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
> > raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself.
> So,
> > I am requesting all members to help me.
> >
> > My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
> >
> > 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...)  &
> > 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
> >
> > The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
> > concerned to the creation;
> >
> > The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
> > This is also concerned to the creation.
> >
> > My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
> >
> > If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
> >
> > However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
> >
> >
> > Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
> >
> > When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
> > Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas but
> > only one varna - the first varna.
> >
> > For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
> > later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > Namaskaram,
> > ramesh
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