[Advaita-l] Advaita-1)Body is the disease

[Nagesh Tavaragerimath]

Namaste!

The comment "There is neither dissolution nor creation..." is pretty close
to the essence of the mantra:

"OM POORNAMADAH POORNAMIDAM
POORNAAT POORNAMUDACHYATE
POORNASYA POORNAMAADAAYA
POORNAMEVAAVASHISHYATE
OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTIH"

Nagesh


On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:10 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > Theories of creation are done for the sake of explanation only as Brahman
> > is unreachable through senses, undivided, etc.
> >
> > So everything happens in ignorance only. Brahman never gets deluded, else
> > it will loose it's omnipresence and it's eternal presence.
> >
> > Hence it is said, 'Brahman Appears to be deluded'. If it is actually
> > deluded, then it will violate basic tenets of Advaita. Bondage and
> > liberation are under ignorance only.
> >
>
> While it is true that Advaita holds that
> delusion-bondange-realization-liberation happens only to Brahman and that
> this is only apparent and not absolute, yet for the sake of giving out the
> method of knowledge-liberation, there arises a need to talk of
> delusion-bondage.  We have explicit statements to this effect in the
> commentaries of Shankaracharya.  One such is in the Br.up.1.4.10:
>
> While commenting on the line 'tad yo yo devAnAm pratyabudhyata...' of the
> mantra 1.4.10, which means: whoever among the devas, RShis and humans
> realized Brahman as his Self, becomes Brahman' Shankara says: /
>
> /the distinction between these beings as devas, RShis and humans is only
> from the worldly view and not from the view of Brahman-realization.
> ...therefore owing to the thinking that arises due to the body-mind
> apparatus that the distinction across devas, RShis and humans is
> recognized.  However, in each of these beings (devas, etc.) it is Brahman
> alone that was before the realization as 'I am Brahman', by wrongly
> identifying itself with the body-mind apparatus of devas, etc.//
>
> paramArthatastu tatra tatra brahmaiva agrE AsIt prAkpratibodhAt,
> devAdisharIreShu, *anyathaiva vibhAvaymAnam*. tadAtmAnameva avEt tathaiva
> cha sarvamabhavt.
>
> This expression *anyathaiva vibhAvaymAnam *is the confirmation that
> according to Shankara it is Brahman that is deluded into identifying itself
> with the bodies of devas, etc. prior to getting the realization of its true
> nature as 'I am Brahman' and thereby realizing its infinite nature.
>
> Thus, according to Shankara it is Brahman that is deluded and it is Brahman
> alone that acquires the knowledge/realization 'I am Brahman'.  Many
> non-advaitins object to the proposition that Brahman is subject to
> ignorance.  Many others who have not understood Shankara's bhashya too
> object to the idea that Brahman is deluded.  However it is to be borne in
> mind that Advaita, following the Upanishads, does not mean to say that
> Brahman is really deluded.  The delusion and the freedom from it is only
> apparent.  There is neither bondage nor liberation in absolute terms.  It
> is only a prakriyaa that is brought in to account for the apparent bondage
> that is experienced and liberation that is sought after.  The ultimate
> truth, in the words of GaudapAda is:
>
> न निरोधो न चोत्पत्तिः न बद्धो न च साधकः ।
> न मुमुक्षुर्नवै मुक्त इत्येषा परमार्थता ॥ G.K. 2.32
> There is neither dissolution nor creation, none in bondage and
> none practicing disciplines. There is none seeking Liberation
> and none liberated. This is the absolute truth.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
>
>
>
> Just to answer the doubts, theories of creation are explained. Later on
> > they are negated by words such as 'that which is not being and not non
> > being', 'without speech', etc. Upon removal of Brahman, noting new is
> > found. The consciousness 'I' remains the same, but instead of
> > individuality, now it is totality.
> >
> > OM
> >
> > Sujal Upadhyay
> >
> > "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> > nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> >
> > He who has faith has all
> > He who lacks faith, lacks all
> > It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> > FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Swamisarvabhutananda <
> > swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > OM
> > > Sarvajna Brahman can never ever be ignorant!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On 11-Jan-2014, at 8:45 am, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dears
> > > > It is said that Brahman out of ignorance created body .Does it mean
> > that
> > > Brahman is also subject to avidhya? I think this may not be a correct
> > > understanding.Kasmin Bhagavo vignyaya sarvam  idham vigyanatham
> bhavathi
> > > says Mundaka Upanishad.That is Brahman is knowledge.For a jivathma it
> may
> > > be acceptable.Just to explain certain difficult to understand
> > propositions
> > > we should not give our own interpretations and complicate the issues
> > dealt
> > > with by the Upanishads.It equally applies to Bhashyas
> > also.R.Krishnamoorthy.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
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