[Advaita-l] Advaita-1)Body is the disease

[H S Chandramouli]

Dear Sri Rudra,

When it is said Brahma endowed WITH ignorance, Ignorance is Maya
(bhavarupa) which is a Power and not just a passive attribute like lack of
knowledge. Ignorance as understood in english is not a proper word for
maya. As i have already mentioned in my other mail, you may need to refer
to works like Panchadashi for a clearer understanding of maya.
Incidentally, snake is an appearence of the rope is a provisional
understanding. The complete position is < Brahman ( Chaitanyam ) through
Avidya which appeared as rope is now appearing as snake > . That is how
Brahman is considered as THE substratum for everything else. This is just
by the way and not to confuse the issue further. You may ignore it if you
dont like. It does not affect the answer to your question in any way.

Regards


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear
> In the rope snake analogy there is either snake or rope .But the afraid
> individual only sees it as a snake first and gets panicky and guards
> himself avoiding stepping on it.Later he comes to a correct
> understanding.But here Brahman is said to be WITH ignorance.It  is not that
> Jiva sees Brahman as if with Avidhya.How this is to be
> accepted?R.Krishnamoorthy.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 14-Jan-2014, at 1:14 pm, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > H S Chandramouli
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > < It is said that Brahman out of ignorance created body .Does it mean
> that
> > Brahman is also subject to avidhya? I think this may not be a correct >.
> >
> > If " out of " is considered as refering to upadana karana ( material
> cause
> > ) it presents no problems as Avidya or Maya is considered to be so. Reg
> the
> > second sentence, It is to be remembered that Brahman and Avidya (
> ignorance
> > ) refer to different levels of Reality. Thereby Brahman is not tainted by
> > ignorance though it itself appears in itself as ignorance, just like the
> > characteristics of the rope are not affected by the characteristics of
> the
> > snake appearing therein. Brahman is < Asangah > . That is how even if "
> out
> > of " in the first sentence is not considered as refering to the upadana
> > karana, the sentence is valid if  understood as < brahman as though out
> of
> > ignorance etc > .
> >
> > The same applies to all other statements quoted from shruti/bhashya is
> this
> > thread reg brahman/ignorance/delusion etc. The understanding  must
> include
> > the " as though " aspect. Then there is no problem in appreciating them.
> > The statements < brahman has ignorance > and < brahman has sarvajnatva >
> > are both valid if viewed from this same perspective. Brahman is the ONLY
> > vastu. All else are appearences in brahman and do not taint brahman.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dears
> >> It is said that Brahman out of ignorance created body .Does it mean that
> >> Brahman is also subject to avidhya? I think this may not be a correct
> >> understanding.Kasmin Bhagavo vignyaya sarvam  idham vigyanatham bhavathi
> >> says Mundaka Upanishad.That is Brahman is knowledge.For a jivathma it
> may
> >> be acceptable.Just to explain certain difficult to understand
> propositions
> >> we should not give our own interpretations and complicate the issues
> dealt
> >> with by the Upanishads.It equally applies to Bhashyas
> also.R.Krishnamoorthy.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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