[Advaita-l] Is morality necessary for liberation?

[Sujal Upadhyay]

Namaste,

Advaita belongs to the 4th ashram. So when one has passed through three
ashrams or has become mentally pure generally gets success in advaita.
There are always exceptions. Exception is not a rule.

As one progresses spiritually, atleast in advaita way, Ego melts. Soon one
realizes that


   1. Nothing is in my hands.
   2. Things do not happen according to my wish
   3. While meditating the mantra OM goes on by itself and I am a mere
   witness
   4. OM chanting is auto controlled like spandan (gap between two OMs),
   length of chanting and pitch of chanting, stressing more on anyone part
   A,U,M
   5. OM uproots all desires by itself
   6. You become witness
   7. Search for origin of Mantra OM
   8. When you are witness and mind is rooted in something very deep, which
   is source of all, you realize that whatever is to be done is done by
   something else and you, as an individual, have no hand in it
   9. Ego melts, humility cultivates
   10. All sattvik qualities blossom and all tamamsika and rajasic
   qualities are fading away (though you cannot altogether get rid of them)
   11. Fear decreases and tension is released.
   12. Continuous feeling of deep peace and bliss almost throughout the day.


Hari OM


OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Lecomte <dnllce at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Namaste
>
> Morality is not salvific if it only concerns religious rules ; practical
> uses (eating and so on) never lead to Salvation, the can only help. What is
> entering the mouth is not bad, only what is going out can be, like bad
> words.
> Morality and ethics are not similar. Knowledge needs ethics, Jnana cannot
> be achieve without any ethics. They are part of Jnana and they cannot be
> separated.
> What would mean an Enlightment with a wrong behaviour ?
>
> Regards
>
> DL
>
>
> ________________________________
>  De : Suresh <mayavaadi at yahoo.com>
> À : Advaita <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Envoyé le : Dimanche 26 janvier 2014 8h10
> Objet : Re: [Advaita-l] Is morality necessary for liberation?
>
>
> Whether we call it dharma or morality, is it salvific? That's the main
> point of my topic. In my opinion, morality/dharma is not salvific.
> Knowledge/Jnana alone is salvific, nothing else is. They may have practical
> value - even eating and sleeping have practical uses - but they don't lead
> to liberation.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 26 January 2014 12:06 PM, Nithin Sridhar <
> sridhar.nithin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hinduism speaks in terms of Dharma and Adharma and not moral or immoral.
> And Dharma is very important. With Dharma Anushtana, there is no
> Chitta-Shuddhi and without Chitta Shuddhi, no Moksha.
>
>
> -Nithin
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Suresh <mayavaadi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> >
> >First of all, this isn't a justification for immoral behavior.
> >
> >In most religions, especially creator-centered religions, morality is
> most important. Even if faith in god is stressed, it still requires the
> believer to be moral, or else god won't be pleased. This is the logic,
> basically. Suffice it to say that for theistic religions, morality is
> perhaps as important as faith.
> >
> >But advaita is unique in that God is all there is - everything else is a
> mere appearance. So morality cannot get you out of this samsara any more
> than morality can get you out of a dream. Only knowledge between real and
> unreal can. So morality, as far as I can see, has utilitarian value - the
> same value that 'dream water' has for a dreamer. But does it have any
> salvific value at all?
> >
> >Again, I am not attacking morality or moral people - but isn't it silly
> in the context of advaita to see morality as something mighty important?
> Knowledge alone is salvific - morality is simply useful for us to carry on
> at the worldly, vyavaharika level. But to obsess over moral codes, to
> constantly think in terms of dos and don'ts, rights and wrongs - isn't that
> unnecessary for an advaitin?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Suresh
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