[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 119, Issue 14

[H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l]

Sri Rameshji / Sri Bhaskarji,



Namaste/Pranams.



During my search for some authoritative works on the issues we are
discussing, I came across “ Sidhantalesasangraha “ by Sri Appayya Dikshita,
an English translation of which can be downloaded at the following link. <<
https://archive.org/details/siddhantalesasan029239mbp >>. The Introdction
by the translator, Sri Suryanarayana Shastri , discusses fairly elaborately
the topics covered in the main work. I was delighted to find that the very
issues we are discussing have been extensively deal twith in this work.
>From a reading of the Introduction ( I am yet to read thru the work itself
) I am furnishing below a summary on the issues we are concerned with in
the current thread.



1.       Avidyas ( Nesciences ) are many, one for each Jiva. But Creation
is one only and so is Iswara.

2.       Realization takes place for each Jiva separately and at different
times.

3.       On Realization the Jiva merges into Iswara ( and not Nirguna
Brahman ). The Jiva becomes Iswara himself.

4.       The BMI of the Realized Jiva is driven by Iswara and not the
particular Jiva itself ( which has merged into Iswara ). Justification for
such a view is also advanced.

5.       Creation has an end in time when the last Jiva gets Realization .
The event of the last Jiva getting Realization is specifically mentioned !!!

6.       Pros and cons of this approach vis a vis the shruti declarations
is discussed.

7.       When all Jivas get Realization, their merger into Nirguna Brahman
takes place. This is called by Sri Appayya Dikshita as “ Sarvamukti “ .



There are hints in the Introduction that the work is not entirely
consistent with Sri Bhagavatpada Bhashya. But unfortunately there does not
appear to be any definite statements as to where exactly the deviations
occur. A more detailed reading may reveal these. But I doubt it. The
translator also mentions that Sri Appayya Dikshita has written over a
hundred works and his views appear to have changed over a period of time.
But this work appears to be prior to his most famous work, “ Advaita Sidhi
“ , and it is quite possible he has taken a different view there. While the
discussions in the work could possibly add to the prevailing confusions, I
think it is very useful for analysis of the issues and coming to our own
judgements, as well as from the point of view of reassuring ourselves that
our doubts are not totally misplaced/frivolous.They have been debated even
by experts.  That should be quite heartening.



Any comments on the conformity of this work with Sri Bhagavatpada Bhashyam
would be very helpful.



Since we are right now on the subject, in my opinion it would be very
fruitful to refer to the work itself for further study.



Regards


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, ramesh badisa via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaskaram,
>
> “Your argument presupposes(a)that there are
> really multiple beings, …”
>
> Ø      Scriptures (Tai. Up., Br. Up., Ch. Up) declare
> that the ‘One’, which is without a second, wants to become ‘Many’. Then,
> how do
> you explain the ‘Many’ at vyavaharik plane?
> Ø      In addition, can you please give your views whether creation is
> eternal or not?
>
> Ramesh
>
>
> On Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:59 PM, via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Send Advaita-l mailing list submissions to
>     advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>     http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>     advaita-l-request at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>     advaita-l-owner at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Advaita-l digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Creation & Creator (Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l)
>    2. Linguistics and philosophy (Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:47:04 -0700
> From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l
>     <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> To: Advaita List <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Creation & Creator
> Message-ID: <COL127-W23DB60C4CA83A9043E43F5DB120 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> > Namaskaram.
> > I would like to thank you all for your valuable contribution on this
> topic. My thoughts are as follows:
> >
> > There are two views.
> > One is vyavaharik point of view (vpv); other is paramatmik
> > point of view (ppv). We all know this.
> > From ppv, there is only ‘One’ present– no two. This is Advaita.
> > It is true that all beings have to transcend from vyavaharik plane to
> paramatmik
> > plane. We all know this. If this transcendence happens to all beings who
> are at
> > vyavaharik plane (of course, at different times for different beings),
> then
> > there is no more births and deaths – meaning there is no creation
> further.
> > Then, how the eternal continuity of creation is validated?
>
> Again, this is an inherent limitation due to thinking about liberation as
> a discrete event happening at different times to different beings. Your
> argument presupposes (a) that there are really multiple beings, (b) that
> there will be some time in the future when there will be exactly one last
> unliberated being left around, who will then attain liberation, and (c)
> that this last event of liberation will result in creation ceasing to exist.
>
> Obviously, the liberation of this last being should be called a very
> special event within the vyAvahArika plane. What do you think would
> distinguish the liberation of this last being from the liberation of any
> other being at any other time before? And what is it about creation and
> vyavahAra that prevents all beings in it from attaining liberation at the
> same time?
>
> Best regards,
> Vidyasankar
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:02:36 -0700
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l
>     <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
>     <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Linguistics and philosophy
> Message-ID:
>     <1403301756.57911.YahooMailNeo at web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Kindly refer to my previous mail on this subject.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
>
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
>
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of Advaita-l Digest, Vol 119, Issue 14
> ******************************************
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
>
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
>
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
>