[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence

[H S Chandramouli]

Also can some member who is comfortable with the idea of Iswara being
endowed with maya ( avidya ) respond ? I would be grateful.

Regards


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:29 PM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> That is my question. The two terms mayavishishta and mayopadhika are both
> used to address Iswara. My doubt is how can the same Iswara have maya as
> his upadhi as well as be endowed with it ? After all Iswara is Chaitanya +
> maya. Upadhi cannot be part of the vastu itself. Nirvishesha brahman by
> itself and nirvishesha brahman with maya as upadhi is the equivalent of
> mahakasha and ghatakasha drshtanta. Is it not ? nirvishesha brahman with
> maya as visheshana is Iswara.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:03 AM, ramesh badisa <badisa66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaskaram.
>>
>> At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
>> raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself. So,
>> I am requesting all members to help me.
>>
>> My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
>>
>> 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...)  &
>> 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
>>
>> The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
>> concerned to the creation;
>>
>> The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
>> This is also concerned to the creation.
>>
>> My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
>>
>> If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
>>
>> However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
>>
>>
>> Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
>>
>> When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
>> Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas but
>> only one varna - the first varna.
>>
>> For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
>> later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Namaskaram,
>> ramesh
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