[Advaita-l] 'world' is not the mental creation of tiny soul !!

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

If Hiranya Garbha is the one and only Jeeva all the Upanishad Upadesha
Statements like Tat Tvam Asi will become useless for us to study. Why?
Because all of us not Hiranya Garbha are only illusion objects in that One
Jeeva's dream. We are wasting time studying Advaita texts. We can never get
Liberation. Only when Hiranya Garbha gets liberation we all will vanish
into Maayaa. We all are Dream objects.


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Sadananda prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> Being not extensively familiar with eka vs aneka jiiva vaadas -
>
> >  just for the records sake we must note that it is vivaraNa school which
> is more passionate towards eka jeeva vAda and wants to condemn nAnA jeeva
> vAda in the name of tradition :-))
>
> I must point out based on my understanding that one cannot have eka jiiva
> notion without perceiving aneka jiivas in the creation that he is
> transacting.
>
> >  even if we hold that socalled eka jeeva vAda, it cannot be individual
> tiny jeeva which is, now, according to some, capable of creating this
> whole universe!! OTOH, shankara clearly says it is pure being (brahman)
> alone that is spoken of as a jeeva owning to connection with a
> conditioning adjunct (upAdhi).  In this scenario we can talk of one
> particular jeeva, so long as attaching itself to one upAdhi.  but in the
> case of bondage continuing to attach itself to another upAdhi the talk of
> another jeeva becomes necessary.  Sutra bhAshya 3rd adhyAya has the
> detailed discussion about it.  As you have rightly observed if we hold the
> samashti or collective antaHkaraNa / upAdhi as the single upAdhi for Atman
> then it is called eka jeeva vAda.  but please note here eka jeevatva
> cannot be attributed to individual jeeva but to hiraNya garbha.  And this
> paricchinna jeeva can come into picture only and only when we hold the
> individual antaHkaraNa which is particular to that particular jeeva.  So,
> here eka-jeeva is nothing but pure consciousness associated with samashti
> upAdhi. It is also called mahAn Atma or hiraNyagarbha or prathamaja (the
> first born)...katha and brahma sUtra has the source for this.   So, at any
> stretch of our mundane imagination, eka-jeeva cannot be a individual tiny
> jeeva and if at all we are talking about eka-jeeva it would be mahAt Atma
> or hiraNya garbha only.  Moreover, linking creation to individual jeeva's
> mental creation does not come into picture at all since there is no second
> chaitanya apart from brahman in advaita vedAnta.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
> PS :  If at all I am permitted to say something from Sri SSS works, in his
> Kannada translation of sUtra bhAshya, Sri swamiji quotes nyAyanirNaya
> commentary which says shankara has refuted nAnA jeeva vAda and he
> clarifies this statement is baseless and it is not supported by
> bhAshyakAra.  And says, bhAshyakAra has accepted both the (eka - nAnA
> jeeva vADa) from two different view points.
>
> In any case, eka-jeeva vAda cannot be linked to individual tiny jeeva, if
> at all eka-jeeva vAda reference is there in shankara bhAshya it is with
> respect to hiraNyagarbha or mahAn Atman and it is not the individual tiny
> jeeva.
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-Venkatesh