[Advaita-l] Isavasya Upanisad 9th Mantra

[Nithin Sridhar via Advaita-l]

Can anybody elaborate on Pratyavyaaya?
On May 23, 2014 11:25 AM, "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> A 'blank' reply from me was sent inadvertently.
>
> Taking the idea expressed by Sri Chandramouli forward, it can be noted that
> in the particular Isha mantra 9, the devatAjnAna sadhana is criticized as
> 'even more dark ignorance' because:  Performing vihita karma is laudable,
> though without the conjunction of upasana it would also not give
> appreciable fruit.  So, this mere performance of nitya karma has been
> characterized as 'andham tamaH'.  Now, the other one, mere devatopasana,
> with the exclusion of vihita karma is spoken of as 'even more dark
> ignorance' because, the non-performance of vihita karma leads to
> pratyavāya.  So, the pratyavAya (pApam) is what is being indicated by the
> criticism of 'mere' devatopāsana.
> This is the reasoning for characterizing mere devatopasana as 'even more
> tamas'.  One cannot propose that the pratyavāya can be neutralized by
> devatopāsana.  There is no such an acceptance in the vedic system.
>
> The ideal situation is being taught in the next mantra 10, where the
> combination of nitya karma and devatopasana are prescribed for one and the
> same person and that he has to practice them together, sequentially.  The
> bhāṣyam has the word 'krameṇa'.
>
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
> 2014-05-22 14:16 GMT+05:30 H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
> > Namaste.
> >
> > Nitya karma and Naimittika karma are compulsary for all three ashramas.
> But
> > upasanas are not compulsary.  Without performing karmas, whatever else
> one
> > performs, including upasana, they do not give fruitful phalas. That is
> the
> > reason why those who perform upasana only , to the exclusion of
> > nitya/naimittika karmas , are said to go to greater darkness. For
> upasanas
> > to lead to phalas greater than is obtainable from karma alone ,  they
> must
> > necessarily be performed in conjunction ( samuchhaya ) with karmas.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > 2014-05-22 11:34 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
> >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > There was a discussion on Satya Darshana on this. I went to the new
> > > Sringeri Sankara Bhashya site and searched.
> > >
> > > Below is the Sankara Bhashya
> > >
> > > अन्धं तमः प्रविशन्ति ये अविद्यामुपासते ।
> > > ततो भूय इव ते तमो य उ विद्यायां रताः ॥ ९ ॥
> > > भाष्यम्
> > > अन्धं तमः अदर्शनात्मकं तमः प्रविशन्ति । के ? ये अविद्याम्, विद्याया
> अन्या
> > > अविद्या कर्मेत्यर्थः, कर्मणो विद्याविरोधित्वात्,
> > > तामविद्यामग्निहोत्रादिलक्षणामेव केवलाम् उपासते तत्पराः
> > > सन्तोऽनुतिष्ठन्तीत्यभिप्रायः । ततः तस्मादन्धात्मकात्तमसः भूय इव
> बहुतरमेव
> > ते
> > > तमः प्रविशन्ति । के ? कर्म हित्वा ये उ ये तु विद्यायामेव देवताज्ञाने एव
> > > रताः अभिरताः ॥
> > >
> > > The question I have is why Adi Sankara has not explained why people
> > > absorbed in meditation on gods go to Greater Darkness than people doing
> > > Karma? Adi Sankara does not explain why.
> > >
> > > On TV discussion the explanation was different. Avidya is Loukika Vidya
> > > like Science, Engineering and others. Vidya is Bookish knowledge of
> > Brahma.
> > > If you have only bookish knowledge of Brahma and no realization it is
> > worse
> > > than having knowledge of Loukika Sastras like Science. With bookish
> > > knowledge of Brahma you are making a big mistake thinking you know
> > Brahma.
> > > But you do not know.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > -Venkatesh
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