[Advaita-l] Brief Comparison of Three Great Acharyas

Srivathsa Rao vathsa108 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 7 23:16:43 CDT 2015

That is why we say adi shankara is adi shankara,No body can compete with
him in his work.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry sir,
> I din't wanted  to send this messege to advaitha form.But because of
> eagerness to reply to shivaprasad dinakar ,I din't see advaitha form lebel
> in sending email address.
> It came automatically,next time it won't happen like that....
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> See,
>> Making a asthika (one who believe in vedas) to follow dvaitha,advaitha or
>> vishistadvaitha is easy....
>> Because he believe in vedas,so...we can tell the meaing of vedas ,its
>> interpretation and make that  asthika to accept dvaita,vishistadvaita or
>> advaitha .
>> But making a nasthika (one who don't believe vedas) like jaina and bhudha
>> to accept asthika school like advaitha is very difficult.
>> Because he won't believe in vedas ,and its interpretation.....So, telling
>> him advaitha is correct through vedas,won't give any fruit...
>> because he won't accept that....he says vedas itself is wrong.
>> For that we have to convenes nasthikas through the fault in their
>> philosophy.The fault in their philosophy has to be shown through logic.
>> For that there should be sound knowledge of that nasthika school.for that
>> person who tries to convenes nasthika school scholar to asthika school like
>> advaitha.
>> This is what shankara did,in his early ages,itself.You may not know
>> shankara wrote vivekachudamani in age 12.Now that vivekachudamani is
>> learning  material for great great scholars.
>> Even krishna was not able to convenes duryodana and stop mahabharatha
>> war.But shankara convenes advaitha to both asthikas and nasthikas.So, adi
>> shankara is right to call jagath guru.
>> That is why we say adi shankara is adi shankara,No body can compete with
>> him.
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 6:13 PM, SHIVPRASAD DINKAR <
>> harivayus at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> You have not refuted any of the points I wrote as to how Shankara
>>> himself did not follow or could not follow his own Tatthwam when he was
>>> confronted.  We say that, these incidents happened precisely to indicate
>>> that untenable nature of his Tatthwam.
>>> Your new line of thinking must be a joke, is it not?  Is there anything
>>> written (or unwritten) that anything and everything has to pass through
>>> Kashmir's school to be able to be accepted as valid Tatthwam?  Don't come
>>> up with dubious logic.
>>> Haan, one more important incident in Shankara's life.  Shankara said
>>> that experiences belong to the Anthakarana (body, mind, intellect) and not
>>> the JivaAatma!!!  See, how Vaadiraja Tirtha has destroyed this stupid
>>> nonsense in his Nyayarathnavalli.  At any rate, when Ubhayabharathi asked
>>> Shankara a question about Stree/ Purush Sambandham, he supposedly left his
>>> body and did transmigration of his soul into a Kalinga Desha Raja's body
>>> and, lived as married man and, did reverse transmigration of soul and, was
>>> able to answer the question.  So, will claim the Adwaitins about this
>>> victory.  Little do they understand that in claiming so, he has proven that
>>> the experiences belong to the JivaAatma and, not the so called
>>> Anthakarana.  This is one other example of Shankara not be able to put to
>>> practice what he preached.
>>>   On Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:56 PM, Srivathsa Rao <
>>> vathsa108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ok Shivaprasad Sir,
>>>                 Everything is Ok,But what you say for "It is only
>>> shankaracharya among all three acharyas who sat on sarvagna peetham " of
>>> kashmir?
>>> You may be knowing it,At that time kashmir is known for noble persons,
>>> Most of the brahmin pandiths in kashmir at that time were great pandith
>>> .They are pandith's not only in asthika school,but also nasthika schools
>>> like jaina and bhudha.That is why we call Godess saraswathi as "KASMIRA
>>> PURA VASINI". This kashmir pandiths  would have not accepted shankara's
>>> logic of advaita,if it was non-sense as they are all big big pandiths  .The
>>> story says that they asked questions from all shat -asthika dharshana and
>>> also nasthika dharshana like jaina , bhudha.But shankara answered all of
>>> them correctly ,and sat of sarvagna peetham.The very proof for shankara
>>> made all kashmir pandith to accept advaitha and sat on sarvagna peetham is
>>> there is shankara giri next to that sanrvagna peetham ,where there is
>>> shankaracharya temple there.
>>> Even they say ramanujacharya went to kashmir sarvagna peetham,but there
>>> is no proof for his going to kasmir sarvagna peetham and even most of
>>> vishistadvaithi's say he went to kashmir sarvagna peetham ,but they won't
>>> say he sat of sarvagna peetham by convensing  vishistadvaitha to all
>>> kashmir pandiths .
>>> But coming to madhvacharya,no one says he went  to kashmir sarvagna
>>> peetham. History says kashmir sarvagna peetham got destroyed in 14 th
>>> century by muslim invaders .But madhvacharya's time was 12 th century
>>> ,where as ramanuja's it is 11 th century.
>>> So,you can't claim that at these acharya's time kashmir sarvagna peetham
>>> got distroyed ,so they din't go there.
>>> One who sat on kashmir sarvagna peetham,must be a great brahma
>>> jgnani.Because it is the very place of godess saraswathi,godess of jgnana.
>>> what you say for this?
>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:04 AM, SHIVPRASAD DINKAR <
>>> harivayus at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Oh, I see, so you want examples.  Will you change your mind after that
>>> or you are just wasting my time and, will still continue to write stupid
>>> posts as usual?
>>> At any rate, these are the discrepancies in his own life:
>>> 1. Adwaitins don't believe even real life experiences and call it all a
>>> dream and, further they don't believe in dreams.  But as far as Jananam of
>>> Shankara is concerned they will say that Shivaguru and Aryamba went to
>>> Shiva temple in Tiruchur and prayed for a son.  Lord Shiva came in the dram
>>> and asked them if they want a son who is dull and long lived or bright and
>>> short lived.  They supposedly chose the 2nd option!! How can one choose an
>>> option in dream?  Let us overlook that for the time being. Then supposedly
>>> Shankara was born.  And, the Adwaitins will claim that Shiva himself was
>>> born as Shankara while some will claim that Subramanya was born as
>>> Shankara.  And, they will use the above dream as the proof.  Should we
>>> laugh at their double standards?
>>> 2. Shankara who propounded that we are verily the Brahman itself
>>> defeated one Abhinava in debate.  And, that scholar in anger put black
>>> magic on Shankara!!!  How can anyone put black magic on Brahman???  How can
>>> the so called Jivan Mukhta be subjected to black magic???  Then he
>>> supposedly went to Tiruchendur and composed Subramanya Bhujangam and,
>>> relieved himself from black magic?  So, a person who claimed that he is not
>>> different than Brahman needed the help of Subramanya to relieve himself
>>> from black magic???  Strange logic indeed of Adwaitins.
>>> 3.  Shankara was captured by a Kaapalika who wanted to offer him as
>>> sacrifice - i.e., human sacrifice.  So, what did Shankara do?  He called
>>> out for Narasimha and composed a Stotram and, supposedly Narasimha saved
>>> him.  Hmm, a person who claimed that he is not different than Brahman,
>>> needs help from Narasimha???  Strange indeed, is it not?
>>> 4.  Shankara was walking in the morning and, sees a Chandala with four
>>> dogs in his way.  He asks him to move away and, supposedly the Chandala
>>> asks - who should move - this body which is going to become ash when I am
>>> dead or this soul - which is same as your soul and, all of which is
>>> Brahman?!!!  And, at that time Shankara realizes his folly and, the
>>> Chandala is none other than Shiva and, the four dogs are the four Vedas. As
>>> you see - the Acharya who propounded that ALL Aatmas are the same could not
>>> put to practice what he preached when he was confronted with a situation!!!
>>> 5. Sanyasis do not have Agni Kaaryam but supposedly Shankara had
>>> promised his mother that he will come and do Agni/Anthim Kaaryam for her.
>>> He came and, the villagers refused to give him fire wood for the Agni
>>> Kaaryam because a Sanyasi cannot perform Agni Kaaryam.  So, he supposedly
>>> took barks of banana plant and used that as fire wood.  And, then he
>>> supposedly cursed those villagers to become Paraya and, these folks belong
>>> to a caste known as Maadhyanika Paraya or people who become Parayas until
>>> mid-afternoon.  Even now, not many people will keep Vivaha Sambandham with
>>> these Madyanika Parayas.  An Acharya who propouned that ALL Aatmas are
>>> verily that Brahman, curses them!!!  Strange indeed, is it not?
>>> 6. Shankara goes to Bhiksha and, a poor lady comes out and, gives him
>>> Amlaki fruit.  He is moved and, invokes Lakshmi and, composes Kanakadara
>>> Stotram and, there is rain of gold coins.  Hmm, an Acharya who propounds
>>> that he is verily that Brahman, needs the assistance of Lakshmi to create
>>> gold??  Strange, is it not.
>>> The Adwaitins cannot answer these and, will claim that these are all
>>> Vyavaharika Sathyas and, other ad infinitum nonsense.  In the first place,
>>> there is absolutely NO scriptural proof for three grades of truth.  That is
>>> why Acharya Madhwa asked, OK, the fact that there are three grades of truth
>>> is also a form of truth, is it not?  And, what kind of truth is that?
>>> Which ever answer you choose, you will end up in an absurd situation.  Try
>>> it yourselves.  This is absolute stupidity to claim three grades of truth
>>> etc.  For something to be true, it just has to be true at time t = t and,
>>> at a place not from t = minus infinity to t = t and t = plus infinity.
>>> But long and short, first read Sri Vaadiraja Tirtha's Nyayarathnavalli.
>>> In about 440 shlokas each of 2 lines, he has destroyed the various stupid
>>> theories of Adwaitham.  Well, if you can understand that, then, that is
>>> good.  But reading your posts, I really doubt you have the ability to
>>> understand the penetrating logic and sarcasm of Sri Vaadiraja Tirtha.
>>> Then, read his magnum opus, Yukhtimallika.
>>>   On Saturday, April 4, 2015 1:12 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes,give me examples...
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:27 PM, SHIVPRASAD DINKAR <
>>> harivayus at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Since you belong to Sode Vaadiraja Muttam, first, please read
>>> Nyayarathavalli of Sri Vaadiraja Tirtha and, see how he torn apart
>>> Adwaitham and, its central tenets.  See his humor and sarcasm and, how he
>>> tears apart the illogic of Adwaitham.  Then read Yukthimallika of Sri
>>> Vaadiraja Tirtha and, see how he has torn Adwaitham and, its central tenets
>>> apart.
>>> I won't go into what Shankara did as to the Muttam etc. but, it is
>>> sufficient to know that he himself did not practice what he preached or was
>>> unable to practice what he preached.  Not once, but many many many times in
>>> his life.  Do you want examples?
>>> Please learn your own Tatthwam correctly and, then post various threads.
>>>   On Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:18 AM, Srivathsa Rao <
>>> vathsa108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes,Shivaprasad sir,
>>>                                        Before shankara there was no
>>> mathas or matha concept  in india.It is shankara stared matha in
>>> india.Sringeri sharada peetha is the world's first matha.
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> You may not be knowing I am madhva,A follower of sode vadiraja matha....
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Santhosh ,shivaprasad dinakar ,swami sarvabhutananada sir,
>>> Sorry for my harsh words,I won't repeat the same here again.....
>>> But at last I want to say some thing...madhva lived for 69
>>> years,ramunuja lived for 120 years...still they were not able to come to
>>> the level of work what adi shankara had done in only 32 years.
>>> Some are good in some field and may not be good in other field.For
>>> example,Even though madhva was good in his dvaita sidhanta,he did not know
>>> how to spread his philosophy through out  the country.That is why dvaitha
>>> can be seen only mainly in karnataka.
>>> Shiva prasad sir said,Vyasa raja spread the dvaitha to some extent,but
>>> it is vyasa thirtha not madhvacharya.
>>> Madhva just copied the matha concept what shankara has previously
>>> started.Before shankara sanyasi were restricted from making house (matha),
>>> and staying there for years.But shankara started matha concept just to save
>>> and spread sanathana dharma.He thinks it is better to keep sanyasi as head
>>> of amnaya peetham so that he won't have greedy over someone or some thing.
>>> Coming to shankara's point,He had good command over his philosophy and
>>> also he knew how to spread his philosophy,that cam be easily seen from his
>>> matha concept and his four amnaya peetha in four corners of the country.
>>> Even great darshanikas think shankara lived for more than 32
>>> years,because they think it is very difficult for a person who lived only
>>> 32 years to spread and save sanathana vaidika dharma in 700 A.D time ,when
>>> there was no proper facility for any thing.
>>> Now we have every facility still we are not able to convenes even a
>>> single person.But that time without any facility shankara convenced about
>>> advaitha to asthika's as well as nasthika people like jaina ,boudha.Which
>>> is very very difficult.Because of him  sanathana dharma is still alive
>>> That is even today shankaracharya is called as jagath guru,An avathar of
>>> Lord shiva.
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Santosh Rao <itswhateva at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Shiva is worshipped at Madhva's sode mutt in udupi as part of one
>>> particular tradition, it isn't fair to paint his philosophy with so broad a
>>> brush.
>>> Namaskar
>>> Sir,
>>>       I accept one should not accept his guru's teachings blindly.But
>>> here
>>> the question comes how intellectually brilliant your teacher is to answer
>>> your question.Coming to shankara,he could have taken sanyasa from a local
>>> sanyasi in kaladi ,kerala.But he wanted to take sanyasa from Govidha
>>> bhagavath pada,a well known brahma jgnani at that time.That is why he
>>> went
>>> from kaladi to madhya pradesh by walking, to take sanyasa dheeksha.Just
>>> like nowdays engineering students want to study from IIT ,not from local
>>> engineering college.
>>> But in case of madhva and ramanuja,their teacher are local teacher of
>>> their
>>> area.Who may have less intellect to answer answer madhva's or ramanuja's
>>> question,  that doesn't mean that philosophy is wrong.
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, SHIVPRASAD DINKAR <
>>> harivayus at bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > You say three great Acharyas and, pelt stones on two of them!!!  What
>>> > confused thinking to start with.
>>> >
>>> > When the norm itself is in-correct then, it has to be corrected.  That
>>> is
>>> > what Acharya Madhwa did.  This has got nothing to do with Guru
>>> Droham.  But
>>> > confused persons and, people with less logical power/ less intellect
>>> who
>>> > will nod their head like a sheep to what their teacher says and, will
>>> > repeat like parrot what they heard cannot understand these things.  You
>>> > seem fit in that category of nodding their head like a sheep and
>>> repeating
>>> > like a parrot what they heard.  Acharya Madhwa corrected the in-correct
>>> > norm existing which was Adwaitham.  We are very proud that he did that.
>>> >
>>> > Subramanyam Chandrashekar the Nobel laureate corrected and, went
>>> against
>>> > his teacher Eddington.  Eventually Chandra was proved right and, he
>>> won a
>>> > Nobel prize in 1983 but, for less intelligent men like you, this would
>>> have
>>> > constituted Guru Droham.  So, you may wallow in your ignorance known as
>>> > Adwaitham.
>>> >
>>> > Dwaitham is not confined to Karnataka alone.  There are Telugu Madhwas,
>>> > there are Marathi Madhwas, there are Konkani Madhwas.  There are
>>> Dwaitins
>>> > in Bengal, Orissa - ISKCON all of whom trace their Guru Parampara to
>>> Sri
>>> > Vyasa Tirtha.  There are Dwaitins in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya
>>> Pradesh,
>>> > Utter Pradesh.  Why, even so many Iyers and Iyengars couples get Mudra
>>> > Dharanam and, become Dwaitins.
>>> >
>>> > Do some serious study on Dwaitham and Adwaitham polemics instead of
>>> > writing ill thought out postings which are copy and pasted from other
>>> less
>>> > scholarly books.
>>> >
>>> > By the way, I am an Adwaithi by birth - born in Iyer family and,
>>> became a
>>> > Dwaithi after finding Adwaitham to be utterly illogical and foolish.
>>> >
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