[Advaita-l] THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS TO DVAITA PHILOSOPHY OF MADHVACHARYA..

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

In personal life also Madhvacharya did not show correct behaviour. He was a
Sanyasi just like Adi Sankara. But he had a HUGE appetite. For a Sanyasi
the control of appetite is very important. He must not eat more than he can
hold with two hands in every meal.

The sad story is Madhvas are very much enjoying the story of Madhva eating
4000 bananas and drinking 30 pots of milk in Goa. They may say he was
Hanuman and Bheema with huge appetite. But if he is a Sanyasi he must
follow Sanyasi Dharma only. He cannot say I am Bheema and I can eat as much
as I want. It is wrong. Will he say I am Bheema and get married  and have
children also ????

4000 Banana eating and 30 pots of Milk drinking story below -

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=fVFC2Nx-LP8C&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=Madhva+milk+and+bananas&source=bl&ots=lRJ3lrH3Ql&sig=ywTsidtah7sXr9l2Vsu9EVQpy8Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XiPaVLasAoW5mAXd_4DQCQ&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Madhva%20milk%20and%20bananas&f=false



On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> 1)
> I have a question about madwa philosophy
> 1) for madwas there are 5 bedas
> *)jada-jada
> *)jiva -jiva
> *)jiva-iswara
> *)jiswara-jada and jiva-jada
> —————————————…
> BUT TODAYS SCIENCE HAVE PROVED THAT THERE IS NO JADA-JADA BEDA…..i:e
> according to madhvaacharya ,gold can never become silver….but todays
> science have proved that by changing electronics configuration we can
> change gold to silver….WHICH ACCORDING TO MADHVAACHARYA IMPOSSIBLE
> !!!!!!!…because nothing,or jada loose their prakruthika guna according to
> madhvacharya,….
> 2)jiva-jiva beda:
> accoring to dvaita each jiva is suguna and his prakrutika gunas are his own
> gunas.
> BUT ACCORDING TO ME PRAKRUTHIKA GUNAS ARE NOT OF ATHMAS AND IS SUPER
> IMPOSED ON ATHMA,BY READING MY FOLLOWING COMMENTS U PEOPLE COME TO KNOW……..
> 1)me myself, i am human i see another human in kama,but if i become dog in
> next janma,i see dog with kama…..so prakruthika guna kama is not atmans
> guna
> 2) bhudhi:
> now when we are human we have high level of bhudhi,but if i become dog in
> next janma we have bhudhi of the level of dog,so budhi is not atmas guna
> if u go on thinking like that u will come to know that ,these gunas atman
> got from MAYA of jagath..and is not atmans guna ….so atman is nirgua and
> jagath is maya…………so madwaacharya’s jath is truth and 5 bedas are false…….
> CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION?
>
> 2)ultimate knowledge is sacchidaanada. sacchidaananda is the
> personality(swarupa) of brahman….which means …..
> sat(always present)….chit(consiousness)……anadnda(bliss) …..when you
> experience…..this ananda(bliss)…….that means your personality have become
> equal to sacchidaanada….in that state you have become sacchidaanada
> swarupi…..or in other words…..you have become sacchidaanada rupi brahman
> …..which is the ultimate knowledge….as vedas says…..
> so….you yourself…..have become sacchidaanada….or YOU HAVE BECOME BRAHMAN
> ,which is ultimate knowledge….thats why vedas say…..prajgnam brahm….or
> brahman is knowledge…..and you are brahman…….(aham brahmamaasmi)……this is
> in breaf……the essence of jgnana yoga….
> WHAT YOU SAY FOR THIS?
> 3)
> Athman is nirvikaara or nirvikaari….in dvaita
> If you accept this athman as nirvikaari ,then you should accept athman is
> not atomic and it is infinite or brahman…why because
> ,now one soul which is human,in this janma,if he become elephant in next
> janma,will his soul stretches to the size of elephant?
> similarly if that soul become ant in next janma,will its soul will compress
> to the size of ant?…..
> Similarly,in same janma baby will grow from the small size baby to big
> man,if size changes…then soul cannot be called as nirvikaari or avikaari…..
> for that purpose,advaita adviceses that athman is infinite in size,or
> covers whole world
> or athman is brahman…only because of ignorance…it thinks that it is limited
> in size……….
> what you say for this sir?
>
> 4)
> Sir,
> In dvaita’s trividha jeevas…like rajasa,tamasa,and sathvika jeevas are like
> tv serials….where there will be a good person…who will always think good
> and do good ,
> there will be a bad person…who always think evil and do evil….this is just
> the ladys watching tv serial story….hence not practical…..
> 2)In reality there is atleast a good guna in a bad person and a bad guna in
> a very good person….a evil person can become good one day and good person
> can become bad one day…..So, we cannot say evil nature or good nature are
> nature of his own soul…..So,there cannot be rajasa,sathvika ,tamasa
> jeevas…..
> WHAT YOU SAY FOR THIS?
> 5)
>
> First of all ,In advaita we say shivoham,not as “Parvathi pathi”….we say
> shiva shivoham here shiva means supreme knowledge or supreme
> consciousnesses….that is it……..that means we are supreme consioussness…not
> parvathi’s husband
> In dvaita hari means “lakshmi ‘s husband,shiva means “parvathi’s
> husband”…..this is childish…..and bakwas
> If you ask a donkey…how is god…it says god is beautiful donkey …similarly
> madhvacharya says hari as a beautiful sarvothama lakshmi ‘s husband hari……
>
> Dvaita is full of childish stories..
>
> Please answer for this…..
>
>
> 6)
>
> 1)ok….forget science….let us take you yourself given local example
> Milk….it is one jada,curd is another jada,,,,they have different
> prakruthika guna…..if milk and curd are different by absolute as said by
> madhvacharya….milk should never become curd…..
> but milk…become curd,ghee,butter milk…etc…here the prakruthika gunas of
> milk (jada)changes to the prakruthika gunas of ghee,curd etc….hence…there
> cannot be jada-jada beda by absolute as said by madhvacharya…
> 2)dress…perishes by time(kumbaagutthade)….here dress looses its prakruthika
> guna bala (strength)…by time…so strength is not guna of jada…
> 3)when you burn your dress,the dress looses all its prakruthika gunas like
> colour,smoothness and become ashe,if you go on thinking like that…then
> there is no jada-jada beda…….as jada’s prakruthika guna changes…
> so what is the guna of jada…which makes it different from other jada,,,by
> absolute?
> if jada-jada beda is absolute as said by madhvacharya prakruthika gunas of
> jada should never change as,he says prakruthika gunas of jada are of it’s
> own swarupa…and it will never change…
> 3)one person having a thumb print in one janma,will have another thum print
> in another janma…so there are not athman’s attribute…. one leave of the
> same tree…will not be like that…after a day…it will be grown old like big
> in size,change colour to yellow…etc….so there are not the gunas of jaga…if
> you go in thinking like that…a jada will be different from it self after a
> period of time….so quality changes with time…
> 4) similary kama,physical appearance,thinking changes from janma to janma
> ..so there are not athman’s guna…so athman is nirguna…so prakruthika gunas
> like rajasa,tamasa,sathvika are not athman’s guna…so athman is nirguna…..
>
> what you say for this sir?
>
>
> 7)
>
> Please go though the following youtube link,which tell about maya of
> advaita,
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AjoUb8Tq8
>
> and tell your valuable comment…
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> Srivathsa Rao I
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