[Advaita-l] Atharvavediya Narayana suktam

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

But unfortunately there are people even today believing there is some curse
on Kanva Shakha Brahmins also. They say Kanva Shakha of Shukla Yajur Veda
Brahmins are cursed to be Brahmins till Mid day - Madhyanha and then they
become Sudras. Or it could be they are Sudras till Mid day and become
Brahmins after Mid day. Because of this curse some people from other
Shakhas and Vedas will not give daughters in marriage to these Brahmins.
But I think things are improving and not bad as earlier.

There are many Vedic Pundits in Kanva Shakha community.

I think the Kanva Brahmins must be accepted as Full Brahmins, not Half
Brahmins. We should not have quarrels in Brahmin communities.

May be this type of misunderstanding in Brahmins made the Atharvana Veda
Brahmins very small in number and almost extinct.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste friends,
>
> What I understand is that there was a time when the brahmins were used to
> the Vedatrayee and were unsure about the status of the Atharva revelations.
> At this stage the Atharvana rishi prayed to Lord Shiva and the Lord assured
> the vedic status of the Atharva veda.
>
> Probably because of this the Atharva priest consequently became the higher
> priest (Brahma-priest) and used to precide over the priests of the
> Vedatrayee. It is quite possible that  because of this assumed higher staus
> by the Atharvavediya brahmns they declined to give  their daughters in
> marriage to the other vedic brahmins, considering that to be pratiloma.
> This assumed superiority could have eventually backfired and the other
> brahmins refused to give their daughters in marriage to the Atharva-vedic
> brahmns.
> I shall welcome hearing your views on this.
> Regards,Sunil KB
>
>
>      On Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:16 AM, Animesh via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>  SrI mAtre namaH ,
>
> Namaste,
>
> SrI Sunil KB wrote "
> many Atharvavadin brahimns switchng over to Shuklayajurveda. I was
> wondering as to what could be the reason.  While the sage Yajnavalkya
> attained the Shuklayajurveda from Lord Surya, the status of the
> Atharva-veda was recognized by no less than Lord Shiva himself. Was then
> switch-over due to the desire of some of the atharvavedin brahmins to
> participate as priests in the Shrauta karmas and reaping  the consequent
> higher economic benefits ?" .
> Also I got a personal mail from SrI Nitin Sridhar about same topic.
>
> At present it is true that switch-over due to the desire of some of the
> atharvavedin brahmins to participate as priests in the Shrauta karmas ( but
> presently in smarata karma  ) and reaping  the consequent higher economic
> benefits ?" .Since for post of bramha a svashakha brahmin may be chosen
> instead of atharvavedin so many switched yajurveda for economical benefit.
> ( some atharvanbrahmins of Gujarat in 16th century  first switched to
> maitrayani shAkhA and present descends of them had switched to
> shuklayajurveda )
>
> Another thing is social status of atharvavedins . They were considered as
> low brahmins [ brahmins of three veda call themselves as shuddha brahmin
> and pretadhani and atharvan  as ashuddha brahmin ( low ) ] . They were not
> invited at brahmin bhojans .( of course including sraddha ) Even I found a
> historical evidence of this practice in Bhatta Jayants nyayamanjari. ( He
> was a paippalAdin so in his treatise  he had tried to prove that
> atharvavedins have right to take food in sradhha ).
> Even if invited they were not included in brahminpankti ( row of brahmins
> sitting for consumption of food. )A separate panti was to be formed .
>
> One more thing according to rules of atharvavavedins
> ( paithinasi, karmapanjika )A daughter of atharvavedin was only to be
> married to a
> atharvavedin. But a atharvavedin boy can marry another shakha girl. ( We
> call it kanyavyahvara ) Others shAkhA brahmins had an objection on this
> practice so they stopped marrying there daughters to atharvavedins. And
> atharvavedins of same gotra or even a single same rishi in pravara can't
> marry .
> So due to problems in kanyavyahvara many clans were finished and some of
> them switched another veda so that they can be able for
> kanyavyahvara.
>
> In case of paippalAda shAkhA it's ritual are very vast so it took 7-8 hour
> to complete rituals ( costs high and time consuming )so paippalAdins
> started inviting kanva shAkhA priests instead of svashakha so paippalAdin
> priest community started learning kanva shAkhA and practising it.
>
>
> Regards
> Animesh
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