[Advaita-l] Attributes and upadhis

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Keshava Prasad - PraNams.

If I understand correctly akhaarthataa or akhandaartatva - in the in context of soyam devadatta involves samanaadhikaraNa - where in the present case it is badhaayam samaanadhikaraNa, where one unitary meaning for Devadatta is arrived after dropping contradictory qualifications while retaining the common ones. 

Akhandaakaara vRititi involves from your description the oneness that pervades the jiiva brahman ikyam vRitti jnaanam as Swami Paramarthanandaji explained. Originally I thought it signifies the result while Swamiji clarified the jnaana vRitti prakriaya itself. 

I am just stating the words the way I understand. 

Hari Om!
Sadananda

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On Fri, 7/10/15, Keshava PRASAD Halemane via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Attributes and upadhis
 To: "Srirudra" <srirudra at gmail.com>, "Anand Hudli" <ahudli at gmail.com>, "Kuntimaddi Sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A. Discussion Group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:03 AM
 
 namastE. praNaams to all
 learned-seniors. praNaams to Sri Anand-ji; SriRudra (Sri R.
 Krishnamoorthy) ji  &  Sri Sadananda ji.
 To repeat, the question that i posed earlier was - Q: How
 is it that the example - "this is that dEvadattaH" - an
 example for akhanDAkAra-vRtti [niShprakAraka-vRtti] ? 
 
 Now, after quite a bit of searching around, and following
 the advice of Sri Anand ji (to read page-50 of the ebook
 that he shared earlier) i found that the term used there is
 indeed not akhanDAkAra-vRtti [niShprakAraka-vRtti] but
 rather the  "akhanDArthatva"/"akhanDArthataa"  of that
 statement  "this is that dEvadattaH".  Of course, the two
 must be quite different! One is "akhanDArthatva" associated
 with a word/sentence intending to convey some knowledge;
 while the other is "akhanDAkAratva" associated with a vRtti
 revealing whatever it reveals. 
 As per my understanding [i have always been maintaining the
 same stance] that example - "this is that dEvadattaH" -
 cannot be an example for akhanDAkAra-vRtti
 [niShprakAraka-vRtti] - but  now i have also learnt that
  it is indeed an example for "akhanDArthatva" associated
 with that sentence [as i discover now from reading page-50
 of that ebook, following the advice of Sri Anand-ji] ! 
 Many other points raised in the prolonged discussions
 associated with this and many other threads having the term
 "akhanDAkara-vRtti" etc in the subject-line, are all
 centered around and arising from this example, to a great
 extent, as far as i understood them.  This i feel is the
 one major difference in the viewpoints held by me and that
 expressed by Sri LalitAlAlitaH [of course, it is a different
 matter that he never addressed my questions directly nor
 clarified any details with appropriate references /
 citations to original texts of our SAstras - which i
 sincerely expect from the learned-seniors]!  
 Keshava PRASAD HalemanemOkShakaamaarthadharmahjanmanaa
 jaayatE jantuḥ |  samskaaraat hi bhavEt dvijaḥ ||
  vEda-paaThaat bhavEt vipra |  brahma jnaanaat hi
 braahmaNah || 
 
 
      On Friday, 10 July 2015 3:59 PM,
 Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com>
 wrote:
    
 
  DearI am not able to understand your requirement.Upadhi is
 a Samskrit word.Attribute is its English equivalent.It is
 the nearest English word to make a non Samskrit student to
 understand its usage.My explanation stops with that.If you
 want to know how Brahman is thought of as with upadhis etc I
 myself do not know.I am also trying to know how Brahman with
 upadhis becomes Easwara etc.Every individual has to find for
 himself only.This is a subjective matter.R.Krishnamoorthy.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 On 10-Jul-2015, at 1:21 pm, Keshava PRASAD Halemane <k_prasad_h at yahoo.co.in>
 wrote:
 
 
 namastE. My Dear Sri R. Krishnamoorthy ji: 
 Thanks. Sri Sada ji mentioned (if i have understood him
 correctly) that upAdhi is the locus of attributes, but then
 that they are inseparable.  Anyway, irrespective of
 whatever fine distinctions in the technical terms associated
 with the issue at hand, the questions that i posed earlier
 still require to be addressed. 
  Keshava PRASAD HalemanemOkShakaamaarthadharmahjanmanaa
 jaayatE jantuḥ |  samskaaraat hi bhavEt dvijaḥ ||
  vEda-paaThaat bhavEt vipra |  brahma jnaanaat hi
 braahmaNah || 
 
 
      On Friday, 10 July 2015 12:54 PM,
 Srirudra via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
    
 
  Dear
 Upadhi is the Samskrit term for the attribute.Upa Adhi means
 which are characteristics of the object as seen or
 perceived.R.Krishnamoorthy.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 > On 09-Jul-2015, at 2:21 pm, akhanda via Advaita-l
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Can anyone explain the difference between attributes
 and upaadhis? In the mahaavaakyas, are the attributes to be
 negated through jahaajahallakshaNa, or the upaadhis?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Anil Gidwani
 > 
 > 
 > 
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