[Advaita-l] Difficulty with Akhandakara Vrtti

[H S Chandramouli]

Dear Sri Sadanandaji,


 Reg But the original light of consciousness does not differ. It first
falls all on the mind( and gets reflected (chidaabhaasa) and gets that
reflected light in turn falls on the thought or vRitti that arise in the
mind in every object perception and gets further reflected back to the
mind. This is pot knowledge and I know this is pot both object thought and
subject thought arise in the mind due object reflection and the original
reflection. These are idam vRitit and aham vRitti. Idam vRitti depends on
idam and aham vRitti does not differ and is ever present as long as
chidaabhaasa is there. Chidaabhaasa is there along as mind is there since
original sat chit ananda is always.

Kena says I am is there in every thought - pratibhoda viditam matam - since
subject I though arises at every knowledge and is invariable vRitti while
idam vRitti is variable depending on idam
.
Akhandam or unbroken since chidaabhaasa is there as long as mind is there.
In the deep sleep state the mind is in the potential form as anandamaya
kosha and chidaabhaasa will be there reflecting that folded mind. In the
case of nirvikalpaka samaadhi, the mind is there with no thought - hence
chidaabhaasa is there without any objectifyable vRitti - Here the mind it
self is the object of reflection. Self realization still involves knowledge
that the original light which is unperceived is I am while looking at the
changing or changeless reflections. That is akhandaakaara in the sense
reflection is present due to the mind and while viveka requires because of
vedanta vichaara that I am the original light in spite of presence or
absence of the object-thoughts. >> ,


 I am sorry I have copied a fairly large portion from your post . I could
not condense it as my observations have to be related by you to the
corresponding portions which are spreadout in this part of your post. My
apologies.


 My understanding of the position at selfrealization is significantly
different . Yes . All objective knowledge could be considered as due to
reflections. But what happens when the “ object “ is the “ Source of the
Original Light “ ?? This is the position when the Guru says “ tatvamasi “
to the Sadhaka . The sadhaka is all absorbed in the “ Atman / Brahman “
thought . Is the “ knowledge “ then due to reflections ? Is there any need
for reflected light ( Chidabhasa ) at all for this knowledge ?? The answer
is a definite NO . The knowledge is due to the “ Source of Original Light “
itself . Hence in this “ knowledge “ there is no Chidabhasa. There are no
independent aham vritti and idam vritti in this “ knowledge “. This is what
I had explained in my understanding of the term “ akhandakara vritti “.
This , in brief , is my understanding.


 Regards


On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:22 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> PraNAms
>
>
> Interesting discussions.
>
> A simple way of looking at this is using bimba-pratibimba analogy.
>
> Pure light that is falling on the objects cannot be seen or perceived
> directly. Only when the light falls on the object and object reflects then
> we can  RECOGNIZE the presence of the original light looking the reflected
> light by the objects by which the object is perceived. One cannot
> differentiate the original light,bimba, and the reflected light pratibimba.
> One has to cognitively RECOGNIZE (using veveka) the original from the
> reflecting light because of the presence of the object are recognized.
>
> The perception of colors involves the reflection vs absorption - when
> while light falls on the object, a red object look red because other than
> red the rest of the colors in the VIBGYOR are absorbed. The object looks
> while when none of the components are absorbed. Similarly the mixture of
> colors, etc.
>
> Same way the all pervading sat chit ananda cannot be perceived. It is only
> the process of reflection and using required Viveka one has to RECOGNIZE
> the original. The reflection depends on the medium as the original by
> itself in this case is pure undifferentiated sat chit ananda. In inert
> objects only sat aspect gets reflected. In subtle body both sat and chit
> are refelected depending on the quality of the mind. and in the mind that
> is calm and serene sat chit and ananda are all reflected depending in the
> mental peace - hence in the ananda valli we have various levels of
> happiness and at each level scriptures says - shrotriyasya akaamaya tasya -
> Hence reflected happiness depends on the purity of the mind and degree of
> its quietness.
>
> Nidhidhyaasana involves shifting the mind from paying attention to the
> reflecting medium (in this case the contents of the thought) to that
> because of which one is conscious of the thought.   Thoughts differ. But
> the original light of consciousness does not differ. It first falls all on
> the mind( and gets reflected (chidaabhaasa) and gets that reflected light
> in turn falls on the thought or vRitti that arise in the mind in every
> object perception and gets further reflected back to the mind. This is pot
> knowledge and I know this is pot both object thought and subject thought
> arise in the mind due object reflection and the original reflection. These
> are idam vRitit and aham vRitti. Idam vRitti depends on idam and aham
> vRitti does not differ and is ever present as long as chidaabhaasa is
> there. Chidaabhaasa is there along as mind is there since original sat chit
> ananda is always.
>
> Kena says I am is there in every thought - pratibhoda viditam matam -
> since subject I though arises at every knowledge and is invariable vRitti
> while idam vRitti is variable depending on idam
> .
> Akhandam or unbroken since chidaabhaasa is there as long as mind is there.
> In the deep sleep state the mind is in the potential form as anandamaya
> kosha and chidaabhaasa will be there reflecting that folded mind. In the
> case of nirvikalpaka samaadhi, the mind is there with no thought - hence
> chidaabhaasa is there without any objectifyable vRitti - Here the mind it
> self is the object of reflection. Self realization still involves knowledge
> that the original light which is unperceived is I am while looking at the
> changing or changeless reflections. That is akhandaakaara in the sense
> reflection is present due to the mind and while viveka requires because of
> vedanta vichaara that I am the original light in spite of presence or
> absence of the object-thoughts.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
>
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