[Advaita-l] Why can't it be done by some learned scholars?

[V Subrahmanian]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
>
> As regards the fond thought of the possibility of all becoming Advaitin,


For advaita, the ultimate Vedantic reality is the Nirguna, advaita,
Brahman.  All other schools that hold out a deity to be the ultimate
reality are for advaitins, paths to attain the ultimate Advaitic reality.
They are saguna brahman for advaita and will finally take the aspirant to
the advaitic brahman.

Apart from the above, one can also notice that from the past several
centuries there have been individuals or groups who have 'converted' from
one or the other school to that of their choice/liking.  Even today there
are whole families or individuals who may or may not leave their
born-tradition and take to the philosophy of their liking.  Outwardly they
may practice the religion of their tradition but their inward choice of a
different philosophy is a fact.

regards
subrahmanian.v





> Let us the advaitins do our whatever is possible and leave the rest to
> Lord Krishna. I just want to remind you that the following verse, which has
> been  used by Gaudapadacharya actually told by Lord Krishna (as versified
> by Vedavyasa) in the original Bhagavad Gita and unfortunately the
> post-Shankara Acharyas ignored this verse completely, probably thinking
> that to be a composition of Gaudapadacharya. The verse is as follows:
> आदावन्ते च यन्नास्ति वर्तमानेऽपि तत्तथा  ।
> वितथैः सदृशाः सन्तोऽवितथा इव लक्षिताः  ॥
>
> Had they known the fact, the situation could have been different.
>
> Regards,Sunil KB
>
>
>
>
>
>      On Monday, March 30, 2015 1:58 AM, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Sir,
>     What I am saying is one who has virakthi and bhakthi does't mean that
> he has right knowldge of brahman (Sat-chit-Ananda)
> So,there may be many virathas and bhkthas in other sects that doesnot mean
> that that sects are correct
>
> there are many brahmins when they see other sect mathas ,other sect men or
> other sect gets in justice they feel happy because of jealous about other
> sects.....these type of problem will not be there and there will be unity
> among brahmins if they come under single sidhanta
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:50 PM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <
> lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > *श्रीमल्ललितालालितः*www.lalitaalaalitah.com
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Sir ,
> >>
> >> You have said that there are noble souls in other sects not only in
> >> advaita...as we can see many virakhtas ,bakthas in other sects..
> >>
> >> One is viraktha or a great bhaktha doesn't mean that his knowledge is
> >> correct
> >>
> >
> > ​Correct knowledge of what ? Veda-s?
> > Sorry, it is not needed for virakti and bhakti.
> > virakti is ​generated from knowing bad qualities of things and bhakti is
> > generated by knowing good qualities of Ishvara. Where does veda or AtmA
> > comes?
> >
> > if so,there are many jaina ,boudha virakthas what you say for them...they
> >> are avaidika matha .. ..will you say they are correct and vedas are
> wrong?
> >>
> >
> > ​Why are you making virakti is equal to knowledge of veda ?
> > There is no need of such knowledge for virakti, bhakti.
> > ​
> >
> >
> >>
> >> You can't say so because this vedas or athma jgnana
> >> ​ ​
> >> is beyond them as vedas  are apourusheya....which is beyond human
> >> thinking capacity....
> >>
> >
> > ​Here I stop reading.
> > I think you need some serious help. You are living in some other world
> > where words don't reach.
> > ​
> >
> >
> >>
> >> So,we have learn vidhya  from a lineage of guru parampara,not from so
> >> intellectual brilliant ,there was no bhudhism before bhudha or jaininsm
> >> before mahaveera ,maadhva before madhva and vishistadvaita before
> >> ramanuja....
> >>
> >> And even bhudha till his young din't even knew what is death....so,there
> >> was no clue to him of what is sathama dharma asdone by  his father....
> >>
> >> But there was advaita before shankaracharya...
> >>
> >> which makes us to think off...
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sir,
> >>>
> >>>  I am not telling to kill chatur varnashrama,to tell in better worlds,I
> >>> want to unite brahmins....In brahmins there are three sects...smarthas
> >>> ,madhvas and sri vaishnavas...I want to bring all of them under single
> >>> platform......
> >>>
> >>> Brahmins are the backbone of sanathana dharma ,if we unite them the
> >>> unity among hindus will automatically comes....
> >>>
> >>> At present there is no unity among brahmins ,to bring unity among
> >>> brahmins there is need to bring them under single platform..
> >>> As unity among different sects will be always not as good as unity
> among
> >>> single sect as homogeneous unity will always better than heterogeneous
> >>> unity...
> >>>
> >>> Now when there is any injustice to brahmins there comes heterogeneous
> >>> unity ,but after a while this unity will die soon , as it is
> >>> heterogeneous...but homogeneous  unity is not like that it lasts till
> end...
> >>>
> >>> Also some brahmins think if there is injustice to other sect or other
> >>> sect brahmin ,it is good let it happen...this type of jealous will die
> >>> ...if there is single dharma among brahmins
> >>>
> >>> You have asked by killing dvaita and vishistadvaita weather we are not
> >>> killing creativity of hindu religion...for that my answer is..this
> newly
> >>> formed religions are not there in shankaracharya's time,,these are the
> >>> product of the new acharya's thinking way and these religion looks so
> >>> childish....
> >>>
> >>> This athma's concept is not up to some one's thinking capacity that is
> >>> why vedas are considered as apourusheya...that is why vedas and its
> hidden
> >>> meanings has to be learnt from good lineage of guru paramapara.....
> >>>
> >>> This athman's concept is beyond this bhudhi as said by upanishads only
> >>> ...so ,we have to learn it from a proper guruparampara only not from
> some
> >>> intellectual brilliant...which will be mostly wrong..as we can easily
> see
> >>> in dvaita and vishistadvaita
> >>>
> >>> Shakara's advaita has a lineage from goudapadacharya who was a
> >>> advaithi,but dvaita was not there before madhva,his teacher achutha
> preksha
> >>> was aadvaithi...similarly ramauja's guru was aadvaithi......
> >>>
> >>> Always old is gold.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> >>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
> >>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > NamaskR,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What were these 72 sects? it is my understanding that sankaracharyas
> >>>> > philosophical opponents were mainly buddhists, jains, and mimamsikas
> >>>> not
> >>>> > muslims. Is this incorrect?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> In this URL containing the Anandagiriya Shankara vijaya, on pdf p.12
> >>>> onwards you can see a list of schools that are refuted. One can count
> at
> >>>> the most 50 there.
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What is the answer to the assertion that advaita vedanta is a
> >>>> philosophical
> >>>> > "compromise" with buddhism? Does this claim hold water?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> You can read a six-part series of articles on the topic: Buddhism,
> >>>> Advaita
> >>>> and Dvaita published in this forum.  For the first part here is the
> URL:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2011-May/027302.html
> >>>>
> >>>> You can locate the other parts too by suitably searching.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>> subrahmanian.v
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > This is just myth.
> >>>> > 'Removed 72 sects'?? From where??
> >>>> > All minds?? Even most loyal of those sects?? Even from future
> minds??
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I don't think that just because there is a philosophy known as
> >>>> Vedanta,
> >>>> > people will not convert. If it were true no one would have converted
> >>>> at any
> >>>> > time.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It's man who decides what he wants to follow, right or wrong. Who
> >>>> gives
> >>>> > even a single thought to validity of philosophy and arguments? Only
> a
> >>>> few.
> >>>> > So, only they don't convert because there is a philosophy and they
> can
> >>>> > understand that. It's not applicable to masses.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Debates are always going on among sects mentioned by you. But, it is
> >>>> not to
> >>>> > convert essentially.
> >>>> > The argument which you think correct is flawed in other's view. So,
> it
> >>>> > didn't prove your philosophy correct to him. So, he doesn't leave
> his
> >>>> sect.
> >>>> > Another thing, most debates are to show that they have studied their
> >>>> > respective works and retain that. Some debates are to win prizes.
> So,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > result you are expecting can't come from those debates.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Do you think that mAdhva-s and shrI-vaiShNava-s are avaidika in
> every
> >>>> > sense?
> >>>> > No, it is not like that. They follow veda-s. They are already in
> >>>> home. And,
> >>>> > what veda-s want to say is debatable.
> >>>> > So, stop being biased and forcing your thoughts on others.
> >>>> > On Mar 29, 2015 7:03 PM, "Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l" <
> >>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Before 1200 years there came shankaracharya  who removed 72 sects
> in
> >>>> > > ancient sathana dharma and brought them under a single platform of
> >>>> > advaita
> >>>> > > vedanta,that is why ancient sanathana dharma is still present in
> >>>> india
> >>>> > > otherwise we would have been muslim by now.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > The present day science even support advaita vedanta.Now my point
> >>>> is why
> >>>> > > can't some learned scholars can bring back madhvas and
> srivishnavas
> >>>> and
> >>>> > > newly formed mathas under advaita vedanta by proper debate under
> >>>> > upanishad.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > This will even support Rss 's Ghar Vapsi Right?
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