[Advaita-l] Knowledge of Brahman

[Harsha Bhat]

Kunthi -mathi sir,you said

Q. Sir, Are you there in the room since you said it is too dark that you
cannot see anything?
A. Of course I know I am there. I do not need light to see myself as I am
self-revealing to myself! I am aprameyam not an object (with gunas) for me
to see or to know! I am self-existing and self-conscious entity.

But,I am not self-revealing to myself when I am in deep sleep no sir?...
When I am in deep sleep,I consciousness is not revealing to myself no
sir?...then how do you say that I consciousness is self -revealing or
swayam prakasha?

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Harsha Bhat <harsha9519 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Date: Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Knowledge of Brahman
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> Jaldar sir,
>                            One interesting point here,
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>                       According to advaitha in moksha or in  turya
> state,there will not be any swarupa jgnana,or knowledge of self  to athman.
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> So,my question is ,if a person has swarupa jgnana ,then he may get
> affected by swarupa-agjnana or (maya).
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> But one who don't have swarupa jgnana ,(like stone)...will never get
> swarupa agnana...
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> Or in other words maya or avaidhya can never affect nirguna...and make him
> feel that he is finite...
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> So,how you will prove the creation of this world here ...according to
> advaitha?
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> regards,
> Harsha Bhat
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> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l wrote:
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>>  We get the moksha through the knowledge of brahman according to vedas,but
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>>> 1)Infinite cannot be known by finite.
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>> The finite does not actually exist.  It only appears to do so because of
>> maya.
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>> 2)Nirguna can never be known ,because suguna can be known through suguna's
>>> guna,but nirguna can never be known,because he is attribute less.
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>> As a consequence of 1, when the delusionary gunas are negated then what
>> is left is the nirguna brahman.
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>> 3)Nirguna cannot have knowledge.As knowledge is also a guna.
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>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l wrote:
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>> Sorry small change to my third point said above,
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>>> 3)Nirguna cannot have knowledge,as HAVING knowledge is also a guna...
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>> No only the conventional (vyavaharic) knowledge which is based on the
>> premise of duality is a guna.  From the paramarthic standpoint you do not
>> need to "know" Brahman because you are and always have been Brahman.  Only
>> maya deluded you into forgetting that.
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>> --
>> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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