[Advaita-l] Please answer to this

[Sundaram Venkatraman]

Namaskaram Sri Subrahmanian,

Thank you very much for your clarification. It is unbelievably simple and
yet astounding. It is quite clear that I have miles to go in my
understanding of advaita.

If I am not mistaken sir, your acharya is Sri Subbaramaiya - author of a
detailed study on Dakshinamurti Stotram? I think he even mentions your name
in the preface.

Sir, Sundaram is my father's name and I am Venkatraman.

Regards,
Venkat

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:33 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Sundaram Venkatraman via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Sri Chandramouliji,
>>
>> Thank you very much for you 2 mails on the subject. The article of Sri
>> Dravid (on www. Ambaa.org) looks very promising. Browsing through it
>> however it seems that the differences between Bhamati and Vivarana are not
>> just Prakriya differences but quite doctrinal.
>>
>
> Dear Sri Sundaram,
>
> Actually what one thinks is 'doctrinal' is only a prakriyā for Advaitins.
> The entire Vedanta shāstra is a means, a prakriyā, to realize the Absolute
> Truth, Brahman. One might say that the creation delineated in the
> Veda/Upanishad is a doctrinal aspect.  But according to Gaudapadacharya
> these creation shrutis are only 'upāya', means, to know the
> Creator-consciousness.  Whatever is told about the jiva, avidya, karma,
> shravana, vairagya, etc. is a means. My Acharya used to say: a prakriyā is
> a pratikalpanā.  Since we have a svābhāvika kalpanā about what we are, what
> the world is, etc., the shāstra comes to remove that kalpana through a
> counter-kalpana.  That is called a prakriyā.  When the original kalpana
> goes, with it goes the pratikalpanā too.  That is the meaning of
> adhyāropa-apavāda nyāya.
>
> If various Acharyas offer various 'views', sometimes appearing to be
> contradicting, still those views are only pratikalpanas.  For, even in the
> case of the Bhamati-Vivarana duo, the ultimate reality is not anything but
> the Advaitic Brahman and the jiva is not any different from Brahman and the
> world is not anything but, mithyā; in truth Brahman.
>
> In fact there are those who hold that the three schools of Advaita,
> Dvaita, etc. are also only prakriyas addressed to remove the various kinds
> of kalpanas.
>
> warm regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>>
>> Can you please let me know where Siddhanta Lesa Sangraha is available?
>>
>> Many thanks & pranams,
>> Venkat
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 18-Oct-2015, at 2:44 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sri Venkat Ji,
>> >
>> > Sidhanta Lesa Sangraha by Sri Appayya Dikshita ( translation by Sri
>> Suryanarayana Shastri is available ) is perhaps one good source for getting
>> to know the different approaches and views of various advaitic schools of
>> thought. ( I am open to correction on this ). This work was written in the
>> sixteenth century. Perhaps there was not much of change in position till
>> the twentieth century. But during the 20th century , practically all these
>> schools of thought were challenged by Sri Sachidanandendra Saeaswati
>> Swamiji ( Sri SSS ) of Holenarsipur in Karnataka as contrary to the Shrutis
>> and Bhashyam of Sri Bhagavatpada . He propounded his own interpretation of
>> the Shrutis along with the Bhashyam and contended that this was the only
>> interpretation which was consistent with them. His work in sanskrit Vedanta
>> Prakriya Pratyabhijna ( translated into english The Method of the Vedanta
>> by Sri AJ Alston ) sets forth his arguments in a very detailed manner .
>> >
>> > As Sri Subrahmanian Ji mentions , while these books could be referred
>> to for knowing the status of different schools of thought on advaita , it
>> is necessary for the student of vedanta to come to his own conclusion as to
>> the particular thought process which suits his own understanding. Sri
>> Sureswaracharya is credited with the view that any particular school of
>> thought could be followed for understanding as long as the Goal is the same.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Chandramouli
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Sundaram Venkatraman via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >> Dear Subramanianji,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for your wonderful clarifications. I don't know
>> >> Kannada. But from the title of the first Kannada book 'Akshobya Vijaya
>> >> Vibhrama' referred to by you, I get a feeling the story about the
>> victory
>> >> of Akshobhya Theertha over Swami Vidyaranya in a debate is an
>> illusion. Can
>> >> you confirm this please?
>> >>
>> >> One more request from my side. I am generally aware of the tenets of
>> >> advaita vedanta. But when it comes to discussions on Shankara and
>> >> post-shankara advaita and the differences between the two, I am lost.
>> More
>> >> specifically my questions are
>> >>
>> >> 1. In what ways are Bhamati and Vivarana schools different from
>> original
>> >> Shankara Vedanta and from each other?
>> >> 2. Did the differences arise after the period of the 4 direct
>> disciples of
>> >> Shankara or the direct disciples themselves deviated from Shankara in
>> >> important ways?
>> >>
>> >> You may also refer me if possible to good books, if any, on the
>> subject.
>> >>
>> >> My pranams to you,
>> >> Venkat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >    2) And also,he said vidhyaranya got defeated by akshobhya
>> theertha in
>> >> > > vakhyartha of "tat tvam asi"...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In respect of that, vidhyaranya installed a vijaya sthamba in
>> mulibagilu
>> >> > > for respecting akshobhya theertha...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Weather it is true that  vidhyaranaya got defeated by akshobhya
>> theertha
>> >> > > for  vakhyartha of tat tvam asi?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Or it is just dvaithi's crooked up story for down grading other
>> >> > philosophy
>> >> > > acharyas?
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > To get a good idea about the above please read the three Kannada
>> books of
>> >> > Sri G.R.Patil of Dharwad:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Akshobhya vijaya vibhrama
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. Vidyaranya vishayaka ākṣepa nirāsa
>> >> >
>> >> > 3. Sri Vidyaranya Vijaya Dundubhi
>> >> >
>> >> > The first two books are out of stock/print.  You may request the
>> author
>> >> > personally. The last one is available in Bangalore at Vidya Bharati
>> Press,
>> >> > Shankara Maṭha Road.
>> >> >
>> >> > regards
>> >> > vs
>> >> >
>> >> >
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