[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,

Please dont misunderstand me. It is not that I "insist" on the way
illustrations are to be understood. Each person has his own way of
understanding issues. I have come across many persons who have applied the
clay-pot statement of Chandogya to Brhaman-jagat context to conclude both
Brahman and jagat are "satya" of the same order just as both clay and pot
are vyavaharika satya (satya of the same order). As you mentioned earlier
concerning illustrations that  << Their utility is limited to justifying
something particular through one aspect of the drishtAnta.>>. In the
illustrations under consideration, the particular aspect they want to
highlight is the pariNAma/vivarta aspect ( same/different orders of
Reality) of "modifications" with reference to cause and effect. Ofcourse I
am not "insisting" on acceptence of this either. It is for the individual
members to make their own judgements. I am only bringing it to their notice.

Pranams and Regards

Chandramouli

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandramouli ji,
>
> Ok sure. As I said, I view examples as a teaching/learning tool, a
> prakriya. If you insist the example needs to apply to only what you have
> outlined below, that is fine by me.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On 2 Apr 2016 9:11 a.m., "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pranams.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg  << The examples of pot/clay or ornament/gold may not exactly apply
>> to the world/Brahman in all respects, but that is the nature of all
>> examples I suppose. Their utility is limited to justifying something
>> particular through one aspect of the drishtAnta.>>,
>>
>>
>>
>> The answer is a very definite NO. The pot/clay or ornament/gold
>> illustration applies ONLY to the modifications in sama satta (समसत्ता)
>> context for cause/effect (कारण कार्य). It is not applicable in vishama
>> satta(विषमसत्ता) context for cause/effect. The illustrations are
>> applicable for all worldly modifications, all the way from mAyA to any
>> other vyavaharika vastu. They are not applicable directly for world( any
>> vastu)/Brahman relationship. But it is permissible to apply the vivarta
>> illustration for Brahman/any other vastu at vyavaharika level (say gold or
>> clay) and apply the pariNAma illustration for subsequent modifications of
>> gold/clay ( say ornament/pot)  to arrive at the ultimate vivarta
>> relationship between Brahman/ornament or pot directly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pranams and Regards
>>
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