[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Ramesam Vemuri]

Respected Sirs,

My message below is subject to the usual said and unsaid disclaimers like:
I am not an expert; I do not intend to support any specific personality or
his/her views in their entirety etc. etc.

Prof. A. Rambachan in Chapter V in his book "God World and Humanity", 2006
deals with the question: " If brahman is non-dual and limitless, how are we
to understand the status and significance of the world in relation to
brahman? Do we have to deny the world? "

Extensive references from Shankara bhAshyA-s are quoted and he also gives
the reference to a 1996 paper of Shri Srinivasa Rao "Two 'myths' in
Adviata" published in the Jour of Indian Philosophy, vol 24, pp: 265-279.

He says:  “Too much energy has been expended in traditional *adviata*
metaphysics in establishing the so-called unreality of the world. The
world, in itself, is neither illusory nor deceptive. The world simply is.
Ignorance is a human characteristic because of which one fails to apprehend
the non-difference of the world from *brahman*.  In fact, the world, as
non-different from *brahman*, enjoys the same permanency and reality as
*brahman*.  In the words of Shankara, ‘Just as the *brahman, *the cause, is
never without existence in all three periods of time, so also the universe,
which is an effect, never parts company with Existence in all the three
periods’.”

It is quite informative and useful to read the entire chapter for a
thorough discussion of the topic from several angles with many citations.

regards,



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 7:03 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Sri Bhaskar Ji,
>
> Reg  << I have heard this from Prof. SKR’s one of the discourses.  Sri
> Pramod Bharadwaj prabhuji has created a whatsapp group in which he shared
> my lead post.  In that group, during the discussion,  one Sri Satya Prakash
> prabhuji shared this discourse and he too shared his thoughts questioning
> the jagat mithyatva as popularly understood.  I am CC ing this mail to Sri
> Pramod Bharadwaj prabhuji and requesting him if possible to share that
> audio discourse with you. >>,
>
> It is very unfortunate that you should have chosen to cite ( to quote you )
>  " Sri SSS, Prof SKR Rao and other eminent  and devoted scholars " in
> support of your contention just with such flimsy and meaningless
> references. You should have avoided this. There is no harm in presenting
> your contention  as your personal views.Even now I strongly suggest you
> withdraw this citation to minimize the damage done. I have no personal
> animosity with you on this subject. But we certainly need to be more
> responsible in our posts.
>
> Pranams and Regards
>
> Chandramouli
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>
> > praNAms Sri Chandramouli prabhuji
> >
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> >
> >
> > I have heard this from Prof. SKR’s one of the discourses.  Sri Pramod
> > Bharadwaj prabhuji has created a whatsapp group in which he shared my
> lead
> > post.  In that group, during the discussion,  one Sri Satya Prakash
> > prabhuji shared this discourse and he too shared his thoughts questioning
> > the jagat mithyatva as popularly understood.  I am CC ing this mail to
> Sri
> > Pramod Bharadwaj prabhuji and requesting him if possible to share that
> > audio discourse with you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >
> > Bhaskar
> >
> >
> >
> > PS :  Planning to close this thread after writing my final (wrong)
> > understanding on this topic as I am getting lot of personal ‘firing’
> mails
> > from all corners of advaitins’  world including calling me a pracchanna
> > dvaiti (ISKCONite) in the mask of advaita J
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* H S Chandramouli [mailto:hschandramouli at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2016 8:45 AM
> > *To:* Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>; A discussion group for Advaita
> > Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva
> > is brahman !!??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sri Bhaskar Ji,
> >
> >
> >
> >  Pranams.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reg  <<Having said this, as I clarified earlier, the above stand is not a
> > ‘new born baby’ in shankara saMpradAya ☺ stalwarts like Late Prof. SKR
> > Rao (was heading the Kalpataru Research Institution at Sringeri Mutt,
> > B.lore branch) And other eminent and devoted scholars who are no more
> good
> > friend of my parama guruji Sri SSS at any stretch of imagination ☺ are of
> > the same opinion. >>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please provide some references to where Sri SSS, Prof. SKR Rao and other
> > eminent and devoted scholars have taken the stand that  << according to
> > Sri Bhagavatpada jagat is not mithya >> which is what you are saying and
> > citing them in support thereof. I have made an extensive study of the
> works
> > of Sri SSS at least and I cannot recollect any instance where he has
> taken
> > such a stand. Maybe I have missed out ( which is very unlikely ) and I
> > would like to take a relook based on your references.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pranams and Regards
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
>
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
>
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
>