[Advaita-l] Shankara authenticates Shiva as the son of Brahma

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Sat Aug 13 13:58:58 CDT 2016

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:07 PM, D Gayatri <dgayatrinov10 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is this story present in the critical edition? If yes, can you give me the
> references? Assuming both happen and I read the story, I will respond to
> you further.

I do not know if it is in the critical edition. It is very much there,
however, in this edition:

It is in the Karna parva, chapter 25:


Because of Sanskrit font in the address, the URL is so long. The entire
story can be read there. Only the relevant verses are shown here:

ततः प्रभृति देवानां देवदेवोऽभवद्भवः।
पतिश्च सर्वभूतानां पशूनां चाभवत्तदा।। 8-25-30a
तस्मात्पशुपतिश्चोक्तो भवत्वाच्च भवेति वै।।
अर्धमादाय सर्वेषां तेजसा प्रज्वलन्निव। 8-25-31a

>From then on Rudra was 'Deva Deva' and the Lord of all beings, who are
paśus. Therefore he is called paśupati.

> On Saturday, 13 August 2016, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:54 PM, D Gayatri via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> //There he is talking about Rudra, an amsha of Lord Shiva. The amshA is
>>> created, not the amshi. That does not mean that he holds Shiva himself to
>>> be a created entity.//
>>> If that is your reading, then so be it. From my perspective, I do not
>>> find
>>> evidence to support your reading. Birth of Rudra is mentioned even in
>>> Sruti
>>> like Satapatha and Kausitaki brahmanas.
>> The Mahabharatha has the story of how Rudra was crowned Pashupati. It is
>> after taking into consideration his capabilities that were demonstrated in
>> the past that this was done and he agreed to be their pati. It is an
>> already existing Rudra that is crowned and not a one born afresh. The
>> Br.up. should be seen in this light. Varuna, for instance is already there.
>> He is admitted as the pati of the aquatics. There are also shrutis that
>> talk of Vishnu's birth also from Shiva.
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