[Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni

[Durga Prasad Janaswamy]

Hari Om
Namaste.

1.
"To account for prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in
case of a j~nAni."

Here the lesha mAtra avidya (ignorance) is not of the swarUpa of the Atma.
The lesha mAtra avidya is in the form of samskaras at a minimum level.

2.
'forgetting his true nature again'

The recognition is my own true swarUpa, my own Atma swarUpa.
I know that I exist. I never get the thought that I do not exist. I never
get a doubt that in future I may get a thought that I do not exit.  The
recognition is not of some other-thing's swarUpa, not some other-person's
 swarUpa.

It is odd if one says that I know my true swarUpa now but I may forget my
true swarUpa sometime in future.


4.
"is it possible that after some brain-injury his wrong
conclusion, I am body, based on avidhyA could come back."

Let us take few cases of brain-injury:
Case 1: brain - injury leading to paralysis of a leg. Now a j~nAni watches
that one leg is paralyzed. And the j~nAni continues to be in his true
swarUpa.

Case 2:  brain - injury leading to complete loss of brain function. Some
one has to take j~nAni's day-to-day requirements like feeding, bathing etc
because he is ignorant. of his requirements. In this case, he hardly
recognizes his body.

Case 3: brain - injury leading to abnormal behavior. He behaves reflexively
like an animal does. Is an animal bound by its avidya?  No.


Regards


On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> To *Praveenji,*
>
> My emphasis on forgetting his true nature again is because of fear of
> avidhyA which, I think avaraNa remain active even after jnAnam, is there in
> some manner. As Durga Prasad Janaswamyji also replied that "To account for
> prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in case of a jnAni."
> So I asked about the possibility.
>
> If avidhyA is not there at all then adhyAropa also should not be there at
> all. But I think is not true, may be I am wrong. Like when we know the
> rajju, snake disappear.
> In case of mrigmarichika we keep seeing water even after knowing that is
> not water but in that case the AvarnNa and vikshepa both keep working.
>
>
> To *Venkatraghavan Sji,*
>
> You are right but that is the question if jnAni is totally free from
> avidhyA while body is still alive and he is braham in absolute sense OR
> there are some ..................
>
>
> To Aurobind Padiyathji,
>
> I kept in mind your point also that He sleeps but with state of awakening.
> There, there is no Avarana which makes him forget his nature. "Yad gatva na
> nivarthante"
>
>
>
> To ​
>
>
> *kuntimaddi sadananda​ji​*
>
> Thanks for all the inputs.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Hari Om,
> > Namaste.
> >
> > माण्डूक्योपनिषद्भाष्यम् Karika 1.2
> >
> > निर्बीजतयैव चेत्, सति प्रलीनानां सम्पन्नानां सुषुप्तिप्रलययोः
> > पुनरुत्थानानुपपत्तिः स्यात् ; मुक्तानां च पुनरुत्पत्तिप्रसङ्गः,
> > बीजाभावाविशेषात्,
> >
> > "If Brahman in Its seedless (non-causal) state be meant there, then the
> > individuals that merge in It in deep sleep and dissolution cannot
> > reasonably re-emerge. If anybody can re-emerge from sleep or dissolution,
> > conceived of as nothing but identity with the pure Brahman, then there
> will
> > be the possibility of the freed souls returning to take birth again, for
> in
> > either case, the absence of cause is a common factor."
> >
> > Commenting on above statement:
> > One Mahatma said that " for a j~nAni deep sleep is samAdhi."
> >
> > Another Mahatma said that "prArabda karma continues even after
> realization.
> > To account for prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in
> > case of a j~nAni.        j~nAni sees duality but he will  not have
> satyatva
> > buddi in duality."
> >
> > regards
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste,
> > >
> > > Is there a difference in sushupati of ajnAni and jnAni?
> > >
> > > An ajnAni sushupati anubhava is "I slept well, I do not know anything,
> I
> > > experienced sukham."
> > >
> > > A jnAni statement is also the same or it is different.
> > >
> > > If it is same then is it possible that after some brain-injury his
> wrong
> > > conclusion, I am body, based on avidhyA could come back.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
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