[Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni

[H S Chandramouli]

Sri Rajesh Ji,

Reg  << Sir, it means you accept that there is possibility that a jnAni
antahkaraNa
may develop again thought "I am Body mind sense complex." It looks like a
logical possibility that after brain injury it can happen.

Now the question is,  promised vidheamukti should be there. But that is
because a jnAni does not claim  AgAmi karma but if he develops again the
 deha abhimAnam then why will he not get the phalam of AgAmi karma? >>,

I did not say there is such a possibility. All I said is even if anyone one
were to consider such a possibility to exist, he need not be unduly worried
about it, but continue to deliberate in peace with the assurance that such
a contingency will not lead one to samsara again.The Jnani will not get the
phalam of AgAmi karma because that is what the Shruti assures. The deha
abhimAnam is likened to a fried seed which will not sprout again even if
watered and tended generously with fertilizers etc.What I meant is all
these can be studied in peace in a relaxed manner with the assurance I have
pointed out.

Regards

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> Lets take few points from various replies.
>
>
> >>>
> ​
> kuntimaddi sadananda
> ​ji said​
>
> *>>>>*First answer is - a jnaani does not sleep since he has realized his
> true nature - brahma vit brahmaiva bhavati - is the scriptural statement.
> Hence being Brahman he cannot or need not sleep!*>>>*
>
>
> I do not see any reason why jnAni need not to sleep as this is actually
> body which needs to sleep. What is the difference between jnAnai and ajnAni
> body? Why one needs to sleep and other not?
>
>
>
> >>>> Venkatraghavan Sji said
> 1) ShAstra pramANa is pretty categorical that there is no return for a
> brahma jnAni. The famously laconic Brahma SUtra, goes to the extent of
> repeating अनावृत्तिः शब्दादनावृत्तिः शब्दात्,  ("there is no return, says
> the Shruti"). There are various श्रुति प्रमाण for this:
> a) तयोर्ध्वमायन्नमृतत्वमेति (Ch 8.6.6, "Going up by that way, one attains
> immortality")
> b) एतेन प्रतिपद्यमाना इमं मानवमावर्तं नावर्तन्ते नावर्तन्ते (Ch 4.15.5,
> "Those who proceed on that path do not return to the life of man"
> c) तेषां न पुनरावृत्तिः (Br 6.2.15, "There is no return for them")
>
> 2) Secondly, by युक्ति प्रमाण, the body's प्रारब्ध would have to be very
> good if brahma jnAna is attained in the first place. If not, how else would
> the jnAni's BMI have attained ब्रह्म ज्ञानं and become a ब्रह्म निष्ठ in
> that janma? That being the case, how can his प्रारब्ध have a lapse, after
> attainment?
> >>>>>>
>
>
> Correct, but there is one exception also, which is a rare one, that if some
> take birth with such prArabdha which cannot be exhausted in one janma then
> that jnAni, of-course talking about the sukshma sarira of jnAni, will again
> get a sthula sarira. So exceptions are there.
>
>
> >>>If concerns still remain that one is not a brahma nishTHA and hence may
> lapse, Krishna in Chapter 6 of the Gita says that if such a lapse happens,
> that person will be born in an environment conducive for ज्ञान योग in the
> next birth and will carry on from where he left off in the previous
> birth.>>>
>
> Perfect. :-)
>
>
>
> >>>>>> Aurobind Padiyathji said
> A wave when it merges back to ocean it fears not that it will become a wave
> again. Because it has lost the individuality of the wave. But the waves
> keep coming and merges back in the same fashion again and again. But those
> waves have the firm knowledge that is not a simple wave but the mighty
> ocean.
> Similarly when That knowledge arises there is no more fear of what is not
> real. To such a person there is nothing other than That. For him, the one
> who had gained that knowledge, everything is only That where even names and
> forms are mere appearances of That, which is nothing but his own nature.
> To such a person which is everything and sees only his own nature where can
> he look and what can he see other than his own nature.
> The only example the Veda uses to explain that state is "like" the deep
> sleep, but not the deep sleep which we remember after waking.
>  >>>>>
>
> Correct Sir, but this jnAnam take place in antahkAraNam which can develop
> again the association with the body mind complex somehow, OR it can not
> this is the question to ponder upon.
>
>
> >>> H S Chandramouliji said
> Even if it comes back, the problem is only temporary. The problem pertains
> only to the current body. It has been clearly stated in the Shrutis that
> once Jnana is attained, there is no further transmigration for the Jiva
> whatever happens in the intervening period till the current body falls off.
> >>>>
>
> Sir, it means you accept that there is possibility that a jnAni antahkaraNa
> may develop again thought "I am Body mind sense complex." It looks like a
> logical possibility that after brain injury it can happen.
>
> Now the question is,  promised vidheamukti should be there. But that is
> because a jnAni does not claim  AgAmi karma but if he develops again the
>  deha abhimAnam then why will he not get the phalam of AgAmi karma?
>
>
> >>> Praveen R. Bhatji said
> There is only vikShepa, not AvaraNa. So the world is seen, but not as
> different from brahman, since the true nature has been revealed once and
> for all.
> >>>>
>
> So there is a possibility of vikshepa without avaraNa. Any pramanam,
> dristAntam  for that, I would like to know any reference, it would be
> helpful.
> Basically you are saying if we know there is sand then even if we are
> seeing water there then that is only vikshepam and no avaraNa is there,
> right? looks perfect and it also leads to conclusion that for vikshepa to
> work avaraNa is not necessary.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:21 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > PraNAms
> >
> > Sri Vidyaranya discusses this in the 7th Chapter of Pancadashi that we
> are
> > currently doing for Advaita Academy. He discusses this using the example
> of
> > the 10th man. The 10th man out of sorrow that the 10th man is lost keeps
> > hitting his head and hurts himself - later he discovers that the he is
> the
> > missing 10th man when the teacher says the tat tvam asi - you are what
> you
> > are seeking all the time. Having discovered that he is the tenth man does
> > not remove his head injuries. Hence goes through the medical treatment
> but
> > that does not destroy his knowledge that He is the one whom he has been
> > seeking all the time. This is true for the head injuries any injuries
> > before after the jnaanam. Hence Krishnas statement - duHkeshu anudvigna
> > manaaH, sukheshu vigata jwaraH...
> >
> > Another aspect Vidyaranya discusses that even when one knows that it is
> > magic show and what is happening on the stage is not really real, that
> > knowledge does not obstruct one enjoying the show. In fact one enjoys
> more
> > since it is not real and appears to be so real. The whole world becomes a
> > vibhuti for the self-realized person. That of course includes not only
> the
> > waking state, dream state and even the deep - sleep state experiences.
> >
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 1/15/16, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  Sri Rajesh Ji,
> >
> >  Reg your query  << If
> >  it is same then is it possible that after some
> >  brain-injury his wrong
> >  conclusion, I am body, based on avidhyA could
> >  come back.>>,
> >
> >  Even if
> >  it comes back, the problem is only temporary. The problem
> >  pertains
> >  only to the current body. It has
> >  been clearly stated in the Shrutis that
> >  once
> >  Jnana is attained, there is no further transmigration for
> >  the Jiva
> >  whatever happens in the intervening
> >  period till the current body falls off.
> >
> >  Regards
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> *Rajesh Benjwal*
>
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