[Advaita-l] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Nithin Sridhar]

Sharing my old blog post on Brahma Satyam Jagat Mithyam-
https://nithinsridhar.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/random-musings-part-37-brahmo-satyam-jagat-mithyam/

I have tried to explain the half of the half verse in a very simple way.
Learned members are requested to point out if there are any mistakes in the
blog.

Regards,
Nithin
On Mar 19, 2016 9:47 PM, "Aurobind Padiyath via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Pranams to all,
>
> Just as it is ardha slokah it is also ardha truth.
> Like jagat mithya the other truth is in swaroopa the same is satyam.
> i.e. यथा ब्रह्म सत्यं जगन्मिथ्या तथा ब्रह्म सत्यं जगत्सत्यमं।
> Just as the various appearance of the same water as wave etc is nothing but
> in swaroopa water only same way the Jeeva Jagat and Iswara are in Brahman.
> It never undergoes the changes. So while the appearances are called Mithya
> it cannot exist with out a Sathya in which it can appear. Since there is
> the need for the Sathya AdhAram for anything to appear it is also Sathyam
> but what appears is nothing but VikAkonamadheyam.
> These are well explained in both Bhashya and VArthika of Br.Up 1.4.10 and
> later in the 4th chapter of the same Upanishad.
>
> Aurobind Padiyath
> On 19 Mar 2016 18:41, "Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste all,
> >
> > Another thing that struck me as I was contemplating Sri Bhaskarji's
> > question on ब्रह्म सत्यं जगन्मिथ्या जीवो ब्रह्मैव नापरः ardha sloka, is
> > that Brahman's kAraNatvam of the jagat is also just an adhyAropa, it is
> not
> > true paramArthata: .
> >
> > Brahman's asamsargatvam / asangatvam - whether through a kAraNa kArya
> > sambandha (Brahma kAraNam, jagat kAryam), or AdhAra Adheya sambandha
> > (Brahman AdhAram, jagat Adheyam), or antaryAmi relationship (Brahman as
> the
> > antaryAmi for every object in jagat)  - all flow from jagat's mithyAtvam.
> >
> > AchArya's bhAshyam for the famous मत्स्थानि सर्व भूतानि and न च मत्स्थानि
> > भूतानि pair of adhyAropa-apavAda slokas in the Gita (BG 9.03 and 9.04) is
> > very helpful in reflecting on some of these aspects.
> >
> > Therefore, jagat mithyAtvam is very much a fundamental (and valuable)
> > component of  advaita siddhAnta.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
> > On 14 Mar 2016 12:28 p.m., "Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > praNAms
> > > Hare Krishna
> > >
> > > The jagat in advaita vedAnta is mithya why??
> > >
> > > brahma satya jaganmithya jeevo brahmaiva na paraH famouns saying goes
> in
> > > advaita though same order of statement cannot be found anywhere in
> > > prasthAna traya bhAshya of shankara.  I always wonder when the jeeva
> has
> > > been identified as brahman why jagat is barred from this status that
> too
> > > when advaita readily accepts that for the jagat,  brahman is the both
> > > upAdAna and nimitta kAraNa??  Well argument may go like this :  since
> > jeeva
> > > is chaitanya it is acceptable that jeeva in its svarUpa brahman only
> > > nothing else because brahman is the akhanda chaitanya whereas jagat is
> > jada
> > > (inert) anAtma hence jagat is not brahman it is mithya only.  Is this
> > mean
> > > that there exists a thing that can be called as 'anAtma' in  'jada'
> > > svarUpa?? How can this jada jagat can exist aloof from brahman to
> > bifurcate
> > > brahman is Chaitanya and jagat is jada and this jada is not brahman but
> > > only mithyA??   And contrarily,  we elevate upAdhirahita jeeva as
> brahman
> > > since upadhi rahita jeeva is in his svarUpa brahman only ?? whereas we
> > are
> > > not ready to accept jagat in its svarUpa brahman only  when we see the
> > same
> > > jagat beyond its nAma rUpa, still we argue that jagat is mithya only.
> We
> > > are not ready to accept that once the extra attributes removed from
> jeeva
> > > and jagat   what remains is brahman only is it not??   So the equation
> is
> > > (a) upAdhi + brahman = jeeva,
> > > (b) nAma / rUpa + brahman = jagat
> > > (c) jeeva - upAdhi = brahman and
> > > (d) jagat - nAma/rUpa = brahman too since what remains after removing
> > > adhyArOpita is brahman only nothing else.  Under these circumstances
> how
> > > can we elevate one aspect as brahman and another one  as mithyA??  Any
> > > constructive thoughts on this would be most welcome.
> > >
> > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > > bhaskar
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