[Advaita-l] New topic for Discussion - Religion vs Spirituality
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 23 03:56:27 CDT 2016
Ryan - PraNAms
Interesting view point. Thanks for sharing your ideas in terms of the role of a Guru and Vedanta.
On Wed, 3/23/16, Ryan Armstrong <ryanarm at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] New topic for Discussion - Religion vs Spirituality
To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 4:51 AM
The second question is
more easily answered - Yes!
simple reason that the guru has shed all ignorance and
speaks as the Lord.
He (She) is a
direct contact with the Supreme.
For the first question, I can certainly
say that the Vedanta is the purest expression of Truth
available to us.
have come across other teachings which advance the advaita
Plato for instance - but these traditions do not have the
of Masters which Advaita Vedanta has.
Plato used a technique called
"dialectic" which is a form of question and
simple rules are that absolute honesty is required and that
never be attached to a position but rather be grateful when
idea is pointed out.
teacher, Socrates was famous for his humility in this
The technique allows the
mind to fall still and the Spirit to shine forth and I have
had the experience of Unity when practicing it.
Another tradition is
that of Lao Tzu. The Dao De Ching is again an expression of
Truth - I quote the beginning form memory (so please excuse
"The Dao which can
be spoken is not the True Dao; The name which can be named
is not the Eternal Name."
As I said in the previous post, Christ
taught advaita and this is most evident in the "Gospel
according to Thomas" which is one of the famous
"Dead Sea Scrolls" and not included in the Bible.
(Originally there were over 20 Gospels, but only 4 were
chosen when the "official" New Testament was
compiled. This, in my opinion, is an example of politics
interfering with religion)
Having said all that, it may be possible
to achieve Realization without the Vedanta.
After all, the one Self only exists and
we all have Him as our essence regardless of tradition.
But the statement of Truth in the
Upanishads coupled with the vehicle of Sanskrit makes the
Vedanta (in my opinion) supreme amongst all Scripture.
Yours in Truth
On 23 March 2016 at 10:22,
kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Ryan - PraNAms
Thanks for sharing your wisdom. You have made very good
points. You mentioned that advaita was the original teaching
all the religions that have old testament as starting
Now just a question, since you are member of this list, do
you think 1. Vedanta is required for a seeker for
self-realization 2. Does one need a guru or teacher.
On Wed, 3/23/16, Ryan Armstrong <ryanarm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] New topic for Discussion -
Religion vs Spirituality
To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>,
"A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 2:35 AM
I think that there is a large difference
between the two.
Religion is about ritual and the
organization and regulation of social affairs.
Spirituality is turning the attention to Truth
and allowing the paramaatman to manifest without
Having grown up in the Catholic
tradition, I found that it offers paths to
But these are often hidden in the practices.
One of the problems with the
Christian tradition is that even through Christ taught
advaita, when the religion was organized (centuries
his death), it became politicized.
Christianity and Islam are both
grounded in the Judaism - they share the Scripture
the "Old Testament."
But interpretation and practice have
led to divergent paths.
In Genesis, the first book of the
Old Testament, there is the scene of Adam and Eve in
Garden of Eden.
They are told not
to eat of the fruit of the tree of "knowledge of
In Religion, the
interpretation is geared towards what is good and what
In Spirit, this is a
statement of the movement from unity (advaita) to
Good and Evil is the
first duality. Before that, Adam and Eve knew only of
By eating the fruit they
gained the "knowledge" of duality and hence
"driven out of paradise".
I believe that religion has a place
- it allows for an order in society which would be
It also contains the
seeds which can lead to Spirituality.
Spirituality on the other hand is a
more "personal" endeavour.
my opinion, it is the direct experience of the One - and
constant striving to remove the impediments in the
which cling to the idea of being separate and
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