[Advaita-l] Why was the illusory universe generated at the first place?

[Shashwata Shastri]

Pranam,

If it is  I who generated this illusion it means I have that so called
imperfection called avidya. Why I the consciousness contain such
imperfection?

Shashwata Chowdhury

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:20 AM, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> It is YOU who generated the illusory universe according to advaita.
> regards,
> Sarma.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Aurobind Padiyath via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Is it not happening every day? Even without effort? You don't have to
> dwell
> >> on the subject. It's a natural process called swabhava.
> >> This world as it is perceived now will vanish but there will be and
> there
> >> is only That by whatever terms you describe from this state. Can beauty
> of
> >> a rainbow explained to the blind becomes his knowledge? Only when he
> gains
> >> vision he will know about the rainbow, even how he himself looks and how
> >> the world appears. No word nor his mind can reach that knowledge before
> >> that vision.
> >> Ignorance is said to be beginning-less, but can be ended up on knowing.
> >> Same way once known it can never be unknown. Since time itself is a
> product
> >> of this ignorance, it's not possible to explain or give a reason for the
> >> cause of it. It will be trying to climb your own shoulders. That's why
> the
> >> answer to your question of getting caught up in its own ignorance
> cannot be
> >> explained or understood.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> For a moment go into deep sleep where time is absent. Do you have any
> issue
> >> of ignorance? But you as the pure existence knowledge and bliss was only
> >> there merged into its totality of One Being.
> >
> >
> > Nice thought, no trace of vidya or avidya there.. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> When you establish firmly you
> >> are That even in all the three states where in one you dream and the
> other
> >> you experience this world and goes back to that One Being, you are the
> the
> >> One and Only One. Does the ocean undergo any change from it's wateryness
> >> when it changes to waves, bubble, cloud, iceberg, rain, pond, lake,
> Brook,
> >> stream, river and back into ocean?
> >> That Being, in essence which is everything, is also is like that.
> >> Words cannot take you there as it's beyond. The whole of ShAstras and
> Guru
> >> can only point us to That. The journey has to be ours.
> >> HariOm!
> >> Aurobind
> >>
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:44 Shashwata Shastri, <
> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The world will only vanish when I will only dwell on the subject. If I
> >> can
> >> > direct all of my senses towards that Inner being there is no world.
> >> > Where did this ignorance of mine come from? Did  I create it? It means
> >> > Brahman itself is caught up on it's own ignorance?
> >> >
> >> > Shashwata Chowdhury
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
> >> > aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Your own ignorance about your true nature is what makes your feel
> >> >> limited. Similar to dream where you feel you as various entities
> inside
> >> >> your dream, all your own creation, but identifies with the dreamer,
> >> >> similarly in waking state. You are neither.
> >> >> Only when you are given the knowledge of your real nature, these
> >> >> misunderstanding will get eradicated and once you gain that then you
> >> won't
> >> >> feel miserable. Just as you are no more worried about your dreams.
> But
> >> you
> >> >> continue to see it. Same way knowing the real swaroopa of you will
> >> remove
> >> >> your identification with the concept of the individual self. But this
> >> world
> >> >> will not vanish, only it will be seen in the new light of knowledge.
> >> Seeing
> >> >> the water of mirage will entice you only till the truth is unknown.
> >> >>  This is the Moksha what Advaita guarantee.
> >> >> (I'm purposely not using jargon as I find many get stuck up on them
> and
> >> >> miss the purports of the teachings)
> >> >>
> >> >> Aurobind
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:06 Shashwata Shastri, <
> >> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Why do I posses such limitation? Why should I make that mistake? I
> the
> >> >>> subject, the consciousness, why have I merged my inner conscious
> being
> >> with
> >> >>> the objects? Why do I mistakenly take myself as an object? From
> where
> >> do
> >> >>> this limitation and ignorance rise from? If I am that conscious
> >> existence
> >> >>> why am I trapped in my own objective experiences?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Shashwata Chowdhury
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
> >> >>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> There is no absence of light in reality. Only the limitation of
> your
> >> >>>> eyes to see is called the absence. Mistaking the light of Sun under
> >> >>>> conditions is in reality the wateryness. Same way when you see
> things
> >> as
> >> >>>> names and forms not as Sat Chit Ananda that includes you too, that
> is
> >> >>>> called Avidya or Maya. Not perceived in it's reality creates the
> >> names and
> >> >>>> forms.
> >> >>>> Can you experience any thing if it is not existing (Sat), Awareness
> >> >>>> (Chit) and niratishaya anubhuti (Ananda)? Everything is only
> >> experienced as
> >> >>>> knowledge and only if it is existing. That experiencing if it is
> >> confused
> >> >>>> with the names and forms it is called Jagat otherwise in it's
> reality
> >> it is
> >> >>>> only Brahman.
> >> >>>> Aurobind
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:36 Shashwata Shastri, <
> >> >>>> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> My question still remains- why the absence of light? And why the
> >> >>>>> mirage in first place? As desert and sun is the source of the
> mirage
> >> same
> >> >>>>> way Brahman is the source of the illusion. I think I should ask
> this
> >> - Why
> >> >>>>> should I experience the absence of light in the first place?!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Shashwata Chowdhury
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
> >> >>>>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Your statement
> >> >>>>>> "It (darkness) can be experienced hence it is sat and at the same
> >> >>>>>> time these particular experiences can be nullified (in the
> presence
> >> of
> >> >>>>>> light), therefore, it is asat.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Brahman is cit (consciousness) Maya is Avidya or (Avastu).
> >> >>>>>> Object(appearance) is very different from the subject but there
> is
> >> no
> >> >>>>>> object without the subject (This assumption is wrong as in a
> >> mirage). But
> >> >>>>>> where did this object (the water in a mirage or darkness in the
> >> absence of
> >> >>>>>> light) came from? "
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Aurobind
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:03 Shashwata Shastri, <
> >> >>>>>> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Where did this Vastu came from? If it is Vastu what is it doing
> >> >>>>>>> inside of Brahman? Surely it is not an independent entity?!
> >> Questions
> >> >>>>>>> related to Maya always puzzles me. I know without Brahman it is
> non
> >> >>>>>>> existent. Maya is mithya and mithya is by default sat and asat.
> It
> >> can be
> >> >>>>>>> experienced hence it is sat and at the same time these
> particular
> >> >>>>>>> experiences can be nullified, therefore, it is asat.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Brahman is cit (consciousness) Maya is Avidya or vastu. Object
> is
> >> >>>>>>> very different from the subject but there is no object without
> the
> >> subject.
> >> >>>>>>> But where did this object came from?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Shashwata Chowdhury
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
> >> >>>>>>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Pranams
> >> >>>>>>>> The first error that needs correction is that Maya is a vastu.
> The
> >> >>>>>>>> rest of the questions will be nonexistent if you understand
> this.
> >> >>>>>>>> It is compared to darkness to light as an example.
> >> >>>>>>>> Now look at your questions in this scenario. You will get all
> >> >>>>>>>> answers.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Aurobind
> >> >>>>>>>> On 23 Mar 2016 03:48, "Shashwata Shastri via Advaita-l" <
> >> >>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> What is this Maya? Where does it come from? Why was Avidya
> there
> >> >>>>>>>>> at the
> >> >>>>>>>>> first place? Brahman is the one and absolute. My question is,
> why
> >> >>>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>>> spark of imperfection in the perfect? Without Brahman there
> can
> >> be
> >> >>>>>>>>> no
> >> >>>>>>>>> existence of Maya itself. But what is the relation between
> Maya
> >> and
> >> >>>>>>>>> Brahman? It is not like the Brahman, it is not even same as
> >> >>>>>>>>> Brahman, it
> >> >>>>>>>>> can not exist without Brahman, it is not something which can
> be
> >> >>>>>>>>> identified
> >> >>>>>>>>> as the opposite of Brahman either. But we need to admit that
> it
> >> did
> >> >>>>>>>>> generate from Brahman. If it is from Brahman then why it was
> >> there
> >> >>>>>>>>> on the
> >> >>>>>>>>> first place (Again same question)? Why depended existence of
> >> >>>>>>>>> ignorance in
> >> >>>>>>>>> absolute and pure Brahman?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
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