[Advaita-l] GunAtIta and jIvanmukta

[Ravi Kiran]

Namaste Praveenji

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Well, even in deep-sleep, the experience of happiness is only recalled/
>>> recollected on waking. It is not really experienced on waking. The tarka
>>> used there is that what is collected alone can be recollected, so the
>>> recollected happiness was collected during sleep via experience. So too in
>>> NS, experienced during NS, recalled after NS.
>>>
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>>
>> Yes, since, in deep sleep, there is no experience of anything ..(eki
>> bhUtha)
>>
>
> If you say yes and then say there is no experience in deep sleep, then it
> is not a yes, since I am saying that deep sleep happiness is experienced
> during deep sleep. It is only recalled on waking up, since the tools needed
> for asserting are available in waking and not in sleep.
>

To clarify,

Yes, to the tarkika reference ( yauktika derivation).

Unlike, experience of happiness in waking or dream (thru upAdhi), there is
no such happiness (or any vyavahAra) experienced in deep sleep (while in
deep sleep), on account of unity with the Supreme Self,  not know anything
at all, either external, or internal, craves no desires etc

यत्र सुप्तो न कं चन कामं कामयते, न कं चन स्वप्नं पश्यति

Upon waking, it is asserted that the self-effulgence (sacchidAnanda) is
certainly present in deep sleep, but it is not perceived on account of
unity (saMprasAda, ekibhutha, svapiti - svam apeeto bhavati).




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>
>>
>> similarly, in NS, it is knowing the advaya , ekaIt rasa ghanam of Brahma
>> svarUpa
>>
> Same as above.
>

Unlike Deep Sleep, in waking, the upAdhi is definitely available for
generating brahmAtmaikya jnAna ( aikya jnAna alone is the  experience of
happiness)


>
>
>>
>> so, I understand this very knowing (परमार्थदर्शिनां) is the happiness
>> (Ananda - yo *vai bhUmA* tat *sukham*) attributed during NS ( which one
>> recalls / recollected after coming out of NS).
>>
>> In a way, yes. One's knowing well that one is bhUma leads to happiness,
> since there is no deshataH, kAlataH, vastutaH paricChedaH then, due to
> which one's mind won't engage in craving, the latter being the cause of
> keeping one away from svarUpAnanda.
>

I would say, the very knowing that one is bhUma, itself, is happiness (or
svarUpAnanda).

Agree, if you meant saMyak GYAna by knowing well ...(without any trace of
saMshaya or viparyaya etc)



>
> Kind rgds,
> --Praveen R. Bhat
> /* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
> [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
>

Thanks