[Advaita-l] HOROSCOPE Matching in Hindu Marriages
Venkatesh Murthy
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 19 08:10:13 CDT 2016
Namaste
AFAIK Krishna's marriage with Rukmini was Rakshasa type only because
He took Her by Force and with no approval from parents. In Rakshasa
marriage the girl has to be carried away by force and fighting if the
girl's family is opposing. This will not happen for Brahmins because
Brahmins are not fighting class. In olden days Brahmin's following the
Dharma Sutras were marrying very young girls before maturity. Because
it is bad for father's house if girl is mature physically and still
staying unmarried in father's house. 24 year males after Vedic
education were marrying 8 or 10 year old girls. Mostly they were
marrying before maturity and keeping the girl in her father's house
till she became mature. Then they were bringing her to mother in law's
house.
Shakuntala and Dushyanta's marriage is Gandharva marriage. It is like
modern Love Marriage.
I also think there was no Horoscope matching in Mahabharata and
Ramayana time. Probably they were seeing Nakshatras and Gotras only.
Bride and bridegroom Gotras must be different.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:22 AM, S Jayanarayanan via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:
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>> Dear Jayanayananji,
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>> The study of horoscope for marrages was practised in the ancient times, and there is not an iota of doubt on it.
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> Really?! Then please quote a single marriage in the Ramayana or the Mahabharata where Horoscope match-matching is done!
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>> However in the Gandharva style of mariiage (i.e., love marriage), considered by many to be the highest form of marriage,
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> Gandharva marriage is NOT the highest according to Manu, who considers it among the "permitted, but not highly approved" marriages for Brahmins!
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> Manu Dharma Sutra (Chapter 3):
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> 20. Now listen to (the) brief (description of) the following eight marriage-rites used by the four castes (varna) which partly secure benefits and partly produce evil both in this life and after death.
> 21. (They are) the rite of Brahman (Brahma), that of the gods (Daiva), that of the Rishis (Arsha), that of Pragapati (Pragapatya), that of the Asuras (Asura), that of the Gandharvas (Gandharva), that of the Rhashasas (Rakshasa), and that of the Pisakas (Paisaka).
> 22. Which is lawful for each caste (varna) and which are the virtues or faults of each (rite), all this I will declare to you, as well as their good and evil results with respect to the offspring.
> 23. One may know that the first six according to the order (followed above) are lawful for a Brahmana, the four last for a Kshatriya, and the same four, excepting the Rakshasa rite, for a Vaisya and a Sudra.
> 24. The sages state that the first four are approved (in the case) of a Brahmana, one, the Rakshasa (rite in the case) of a Kshatriya, and the Asura (marriage in that) of a Vaisya and of a Sudra.
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>> the question of horoscope matching is not called for. Bhima and Hidimba as well as Lord Krishna and Mother Rukmini married in the Gandharva style. Mother Rukmini sent her love letter to Lord Krishna and he reciprocated by taking her away from being forcibly married to another person,
>>
>> However, one must keep in mind that the rashi was used in pre Mahabharata times only for determining the Suryodaya lagna (or the Ascendant, also called the Rising Sun). In those days only the Nakshatra was used in astrology. Considering the adverse position of a particular powerful graha, Janaka had the marriage of Lord Ram and Mother Sita performed in a particular nakshatra, so that the ill-effect of that graha could be circumvented, or at least minimised. After the Mahabharata times, the Abhijit nakshatra was dropped and there remained only 27 nakshatras in the Zodiac. The 27 nakshatras were equally divide into twelve zones and accommodated in the twelve rashis and from that time onwards the astrology, which we follow today) came to be used. The fall of the Abhijit and the making of the Rashi-chakra with the nakshatras in the rashis, is a big subject, and is not relevant to the main subject of these groups of ours.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sunil KB
>>
>
> Regards,
> Kartik
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> On Fri, 10/14/16, S Jayanarayanan sjayana at yahoo.com [advaitin] <advaitin at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Subject: [advaitin] HOROSCOPE Matching in Hindu Marriages
> To: "A. Discussion Group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Advaitin" <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, October 14, 2016, 3:25 PM
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> I've been wondering whether the use
> of Horoscopes for Hindu match-making was present in ancient
> times or is comparatively recent.
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> of the means of knowing Dharma or Ethics in the Hindu
> context is to look at the Itihasas such as the Ramayana and
> the Mahabharata. Surprisingly, I've not been able to
> locate a single instance of Astrological Horoscopes (or
> Astrology in general) being used in the context of a
> marriage in these two Ancient Epics!
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> are some examples of marriages conducted in religious
> history:
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> (1)
> Ramayana: Rama and Sita
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> Choice of Groom: Whosoever can string (or Break!) the Bow of
> Shiva.
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> (2)
> Ramayana: Bharata to Maandavi; Shatrughna to Shrutakiirti
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> Choice of Groom: Proposed by Sage Vishvamitra.
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> (3)
> Mahabharata: Arjuna and Draupadi
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> Choice of Groom: Whosoever can shoot a target by looking at
> its reflection in water.
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> (4)
> Mahabharata: Bhima and Hidimba
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> Choice of Groom: Love!
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> (5)
> Mahabharata: Krishna and Rukmini
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> Choice of Groom: "Carried away"!
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