[Advaita-l] HOROSCOPE Matching in Hindu Marriages

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Namaste,

Let us agree to disagree. May be, you are not aware of Rukmini's love letter, probably the earliest love letter in the history of mankind, written by a lady to her loved one, to rescue her. Rukmini-harana by Lord Krishna was not at all of the Rakshasha type. It was all for the sake of love. Rukmini willingly went with Lord Krishna, all for her love and only intervened and prayed to Lord Krishna only to spare the life of  her defeated brother. 

Regards,
skb





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On Wed, 10/19/16, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] HOROSCOPE Matching in Hindu Marriages
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 6:10 AM
 
 Namaste
 
 AFAIK Krishna's marriage with Rukmini was Rakshasa type only
 because
 He took Her by Force and with no approval from parents. In
 Rakshasa
 marriage the girl has to be carried away by force and
 fighting if the
 girl's family is opposing. This will not happen for Brahmins
 because
 Brahmins are not fighting class. In olden days Brahmin's
 following the
 Dharma Sutras were marrying very young girls before
 maturity. Because
 it is bad for father's house if girl is mature physically
 and still
 staying unmarried in father's house. 24 year males after
 Vedic
 education were marrying 8 or 10 year old girls. Mostly they
 were
 marrying before maturity and keeping the girl in her
 father's house
 till she became mature. Then they were bringing her to
 mother in law's
 house.
 
 Shakuntala and Dushyanta's marriage is Gandharva marriage.
 It is like
 modern Love Marriage.
 
 I also think there was no Horoscope matching in Mahabharata
 and
 Ramayana time. Probably they were seeing Nakshatras and
 Gotras only.
 Bride and bridegroom Gotras must be different.
 
 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:22 AM, S Jayanarayanan via
 Advaita-l
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 > Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:
 >
 >> Dear Jayanayananji,
 >>
 >> The study of horoscope for marrages was practised
 in the ancient times, and there is not an iota of doubt on
 it.
 >
 > Really?! Then please quote a single marriage in the
 Ramayana or the Mahabharata where Horoscope match-matching
 is done!
 >
 >> However in the Gandharva style of mariiage (i.e.,
 love marriage), considered by many to be the highest form of
 marriage,
 >
 > Gandharva marriage is NOT the highest according to
 Manu, who considers it among the "permitted, but not highly
 approved" marriages for Brahmins!
 >
 > Manu Dharma Sutra (Chapter 3):
 >
 > 20. Now listen to (the) brief (description of) the
 following eight marriage-rites used by the four castes
 (varna) which partly secure benefits and partly produce evil
 both in this life and after death.
 > 21. (They are) the rite of Brahman (Brahma), that of
 the gods (Daiva), that of the Rishis (Arsha), that of
 Pragapati (Pragapatya), that of the Asuras (Asura), that of
 the Gandharvas (Gandharva), that of the Rhashasas
 (Rakshasa), and that of the Pisakas (Paisaka).
 > 22. Which is lawful for each caste (varna) and which
 are the virtues or faults of each (rite), all this I will
 declare to you, as well as their good and evil results with
 respect to the offspring.
 > 23. One may know that the first six according to the
 order (followed above) are lawful for a Brahmana, the four
 last for a Kshatriya, and the same four, excepting the
 Rakshasa rite, for a Vaisya and a Sudra.
 > 24. The sages state that the first four are approved
 (in the case) of a Brahmana, one, the Rakshasa (rite in the
 case) of a Kshatriya, and the Asura (marriage in that) of a
 Vaisya and of a Sudra.
 >
 >> the question of horoscope matching is not called
 for. Bhima and Hidimba as well as Lord Krishna and Mother
 Rukmini married in the Gandharva style. Mother Rukmini sent
 her love letter to Lord Krishna and he reciprocated by
 taking her away from being forcibly married to another
 person,
 >>
 >> However, one must keep in mind that the rashi was
 used in pre Mahabharata times only for determining the
 Suryodaya lagna (or the Ascendant, also called the Rising
 Sun). In those days only the Nakshatra was used in
 astrology. Considering the adverse position of a
 particular  powerful graha, Janaka had the marriage of
 Lord Ram and Mother Sita performed in a particular
 nakshatra, so that the ill-effect of that graha could be
 circumvented, or at least minimised. After the Mahabharata
 times, the Abhijit nakshatra was dropped and there remained
 only 27 nakshatras in the Zodiac. The 27 nakshatras were
 equally divide into twelve zones and accommodated in the
 twelve rashis  and from that time onwards the
 astrology, which we follow today) came to be used. The fall
 of the Abhijit and the making of the Rashi-chakra with the
 nakshatras in the rashis, is a big subject, and is not
 relevant to the main subject of these  groups of ours.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >> Sunil KB
 >>
 >
 > Regards,
 > Kartik
 >
 >
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 > On Fri, 10/14/16, S Jayanarayanan sjayana at yahoo.com
 [advaitin] <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
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 > Subject: [advaitin] HOROSCOPE Matching in Hindu
 Marriages
 > To: "A. Discussion Group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
 "Advaitin" <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
 > Date: Friday, October 14, 2016, 3:25 PM
 >
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 >
 >
 >
 >       I've been wondering
 whether the use
 > of Horoscopes for Hindu match-making was present in
 ancient
 > times or is comparatively recent.
 >
 > One
 > of the means of knowing Dharma or Ethics in the Hindu
 > context is to look at the Itihasas such as the Ramayana
 and
 > the Mahabharata. Surprisingly, I've not been able to
 > locate a single instance of Astrological Horoscopes
 (or
 > Astrology in general) being used in the context of a
 > marriage in these two Ancient Epics!
 >
 > Here
 > are some examples of marriages conducted in religious
 > history:
 >
 > (1)
 > Ramayana: Rama and Sita
 >
 > Choice of Groom: Whosoever can string (or Break!) the
 Bow of
 > Shiva.
 >
 > (2)
 > Ramayana: Bharata to Maandavi; Shatrughna to
 Shrutakiirti
 >
 > Choice of Groom: Proposed by Sage Vishvamitra.
 >
 > (3)
 > Mahabharata: Arjuna and Draupadi
 >
 > Choice of Groom: Whosoever can shoot a target by
 looking at
 > its reflection in water.
 >
 > (4)
 > Mahabharata: Bhima and Hidimba
 >
 > Choice of Groom: Love!
 >
 > (5)
 > Mahabharata: Krishna and Rukmini
 >
 > Choice of Groom: "Carried away"!
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