[Advaita-l] Encounter between Madhvacharya and a Sringeri Pontiff

[Srirudra]

Dears
If one wants proof for every thing to his/her personal satisfaction then it is not possible.Evidence Act can not cover the distant past.Sri Sankaracharya established four mutts is agreed to by almost all scholars or who could be construed as people in the know of things.And these four are also named as Kedharnath,Sringeri,Dwaraka and Puri.Kanchi mutt is also one along with these four making the mutts actually established by Sri Sankaracharya. May be among these five there may be difference of opinions as to which preceded which.
Now the question raised is how it is accepted that Sringeri Mutt was established by the Acharya.The person raising this issue says that before 14thCentury there is no mention of Sringeri Mutt in the available Historical records.Does it mean all the relevant records dating back to the time of Sri Acharya had been seen ?It is not possible.May be records were not preserved or got destroyed by passage of time.We have to go by what has been passed on to us by our forefathers only.What is wrong in that?Then about Mahabharatham it is said that it can not have taken place really and that there were many authors contributed to its making.What is the proof ?Who are the others in addition to sage Vyasa?Astrological experts have deduced from the internal evidence of the Mahabharatham that it should have been a real event and have also fixed its timings.
Finally truth of anything is to be found out by that person who seeks it.
R.Krishnamoorthy.

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> On 03-Sep-2016, at 6:48 PM, Krishnaprakasha Bolumbu via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
> Absence of a proof does not really proves the opposite. We will come up
> with proof for sure, but before that kindly explain why you believe what
> paul hacker has said.
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016 3:36 PM, "D Gayatri via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
>> //How do you assume so?Why can't it be that grants from kings started only
>> from the time of Vidyaranya due to his association with the kingdom?//
>> 
>> Possible. But then it is you who are making the claim that Sringeri matha
>> was started by Shankara. Doesn't the burden of proof lie on you, to
>> establish the claim?
>> 
>> //Why should he say so in the bhashyas which were for the purpose of
>> expounding the Vedanta? What are 'authentic' to you need not be so for
>> others. How do you conclude that Shankara is incapable of establishing
>> mathas or could not have, and composing other works of devotion? //
>> 
>> Please understand one thing. It is you who are claiming that Shankara
>> established mathas or composed devotional hymns. The burden of proof lies
>> on the person making the claim. It lies on you, not me.
>> 
>> 
>> //What 'external evidence' is there for the stories in the Mahabharata and
>> the Puranas? Where is the proof of Veda Vyasa's authorship of the MB? //
>> 
>> No scholar worth his salt, seriously believes that the Mbh as we have
>> today, is written by a single person. Nor does anyone believe that events
>> related in Mbh are literally true. Nor does anyone take 1 lakh verses
>> theory literally.
>> 
>> //Where is the proof of such explanations that Shankara claims  to have
>> been made by his predecessors? Is Shankara bound to answer? Who has given
>> anyone the authority to question Shankara on this?  Do genuine seekers of
>> the Vedantic truth require any answer from Shankara on this? //
>> 
>> You should understand that nobody is questioning Shankara, nor is he
>> expected to answer every question. All that is being asked is - Is there
>> any evidence for Sringeri matha before 14th century CE?
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, 3 September 2016, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 3:44 PM, D Gayatri via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org');>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> //Sringeri maTh records show these dates of each Acharya:
>>>> http://www.sringeri.net/jagadgurus. Those would then be what... random
>>>> numbers?! :) //
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A record is as good or as bad as its source. Can you please tell me what
>>>> is
>>>> the source for these dates? Is it a manuscript? Is it an inscription?
>> Are
>>>> there any old manuscripts or inscriptions before 14th century CE, which
>>>> talk of the Sringeri Matha? Are there any external independent accounts
>>>> before 14th century CE that testify to the existence of Sringeri Matha?
>>>> Surely, it must have received grants from kings.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How do you assume so?Why can't it be that grants from kings started only
>>> from the time of Vidyaranya due to his association with the kingdom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Are there records of such
>>>> grants before 14th century CE to the Sringeri matha? Does Shankara say
>>>> anywhere in his authentic bhAshyas that he established mathas? Or do his
>>>> disciples say so?
>>> 
>>> Why should he say so in the bhashyas which were for the purpose of
>>> expounding the Vedanta? What are 'authentic' to you need not be so for
>>> others. How do you conclude that Shankara is incapable of establishing
>>> mathas or could not have, and composing other works of devotion?
>>> 
>>> What 'external evidence' is there for th
>>> 
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