[Advaita-l] How can prANa be Brahman?

[Sujal Upadhyay]

Pranams Sri Chandramouli ji,

All that I meant is that Brahmi-sthiti is one :) . Adi Sankara in his gloss
Yoga tArAvalI has said that out of 1 lakh different types of yoga-s, nAda
yoga is the best. If you find source of nAda, it is non other than Brahman
itself. Some hear damaru, some flute, some OM. Just like neti-neti to OM
chanting, one merges in source of all. Here too one merges in source of
all. It is like Self enquiry or Om  chanting that I earlier talked about.

I did not say one can realise Brahman through yoga alone. What you are
trying to imply is that yoga is insufficient and that later on advaita has
to be taken. I am not contesting that view. All I ma saying is that
neti-neti is not the only way.

GYAna can be obtained in by abiding in source of any mantra, thought
process (neti-neti), Self enquiry, etc. AS per my knowledge, all these are
ways to attain Brahman.

I am not sure of Yogic texts accept that GYAna, as described by Adi
Sankara, is necessary for liberation, but I have heard yogis chanting OM. I
have not read all the yoga/tantra texts. Hence I cannot say for sure
whether yoga accept GYAna as final or not. But if you are very sure that
yoga does not approve of advaita sthiti and hence is insufficient, I am
nothing to add here, as I am short of information.

No matter if one tries to find origin of prANa, or does neti-neti, one does
end up in one state. If one becomes aware from where the prANa flows, i.e.
longs for the origin of prANa, then like OM chanting, it is not any kriyA,
just awareness. There are no efforts here. Just like one merges in Brahman
via OM, one can also merge in Brahman via prANa. This is my understanding.
But if you are of the opinion that merging in origin of prANa is not GYAna
then again I cannot say anything more. I have not experienced this state
via prANa, hence cannot comment on it. I will go through Yoga Yajnavalkya
and post here if I find something useful.

Hence, as the topic says, prANa is called as Brahman in some upanishads, it
is worthy of being worshipped. i.e. sAdhanA on prANa is a valid path and
finding source of it is valid path.

OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:24 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
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> Sri Sujal Ji,
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> Reg  << One last post in this thread. >>,
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> There is absolutely no reason why we should not continue whenever any
> fresh viewpoint comesup. Only reason why I suggested earlier we can bring
> this to a close was because too often the discussions ended leaving a
> bitter taste in the end. I wanted to avoid a repetition. As long as we
> understand that this is a discussion to clarify our understanding and not
> about winning a point, it would be nice to continue. Please feel free to do
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> Reg  << Just like a bhakta who has had darshan of his IshTa devatA is
> already sAdhana sampanna, so does an adept yogi who has fully awakened
> kuNDalini is sAdhana sampanna. Yoga starts with chitta-vritti nirodha.
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> Hence both of them (bhata and yogi), need not practice advaita from the
> start. They are the best among disciples (uttama adhikAri). they only need
> to climb final step and realize their true nature through GYAna.>>,
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> Absolutely. I concur.
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> Reg  <<  My understanding is this because I believe that, in yoga, if
> there is any way to merge in Brahman i.e. realize Brahman and attain the
> same state that an advaitin abides int, then a yogi need not separately
> practice advaita phisolophy. >>,
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> This is where we disagree. There is no way that through yoga alone Brahman
> can be realized. That is Advaita Sidhanta. It also stands to reason because
> one who follows only the yogic path naturally expects to attain the highest
> state postulated in Yoga darshana.  A Yogi (in the sense you have
> mentioned ) cannot escape transmigration and rebirth as per advaita
> sidhanta. But you are right when you say that he is the best of adhikAris
> for pursuing the path of Jnana as per advaitic sidhanta. In fact, in case
> of such a sAdhaka, both types of “moksha” which I had mentioned earlier  are
> attained practically simultaneously.
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> Pranams and Regards
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