[Advaita-l] Ramana Maharshi - Advaitin or Neo Advaitin?

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

PraNAms
I think the whole question is wrong. 

One cannot test whether anyone else has realized or not.
For realization we need three things - 1. tvan pardaartha vichaara, tat padaartha vichara and identity of the two which is expressed in another form as 

Brahma satyam
jagat mithyaa
aham brahmaasmi.
If all the three components are not there then the realization is incomplete.
Question only if the Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's teaching is in tune with Vedanta or not.  It does not matter what others interpret. 

In Upadesha saara - he clearly says 

Isha jeeva yoH vishadhee bhidaa 
satva bhaavato vastu kevalam!
The difference between Iswara and jeeva is only in Vesham or costume they are wearing . From the point of sat - pre existence they are one and the same. 

Sat ya hi chit - chattayaahyaham. 

In the Sat Darshanam - the very first sloka - provides the essence of Vedanta - we have taken up both Upadesha saara and Sat darshanam texts of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. one can find them on yu-tube under Acharya Sadaji.  

People should not rely on question-answers as the basis of the teaching since they are very specific and context placed.
The inquiry of who am I - itself is incomplete as it involves only tvam padaartha vichaara.Who am I should include that which was rejected in the neti neti- since  rejection can only be validated only if that is recognized is as part of aham only.  

my 2c
Hari Om!Sadananda





 
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Namaste Bhaskar

I request you to kindly read the article after you reach home or open the link on your phone. The author has credibility and it is a well researched article with ample references. He has summarised all the points succinctly. Like Kalidasa said everything old is not supreme, everything new is not bad. Same way everything on the internet is not trash. ‎

We are in agreement then. He was not a rigid follower of orthodox Advaita tradition. We ‎can label that however we want. 

Since you have asked my personal opinion : 
1) Ramana got famous by rumours, hear says and media coverage. Further owing to post colonial effect, we Indians accept blindly whatever the white man says (not being a racist, but indicating that Indians subconsciously have a bit of self loathing). So white man's words are Apta vakyas for us. 
2) The  man who was responsible for the 'discovery' of Ramana was a dubious person. 
3) Most of Ramana's teachings were written by his associates.
4) Ramanashram is an international organisation with many centres all over the world. How is it sustainable? 
5) Not to be hurtful or bitter towards anyone, but his teachings are vague, hollow and mostly answers the deep philosophical questions with another question.  It cannot be compared to Shankara even in wildest fantasy. For eg: 'Insert any question ' - Who are you, who is asking the question? To whom does the question belong? Or something like - There is nothing to be taught, no nothing, just keep asking who the heck you are. Or abide in yourself. 
6) lastly, Ramana often quotes from Tao, Christ, Osho etc but never Shankara or other old Rishis. 

Regards 
Kripa 

Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
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praNAms Sri Kripa Shankar prabhuji
Hare Krishna

Due to restrictions in accessibility of internet I am not able to open the link you provided at my office desk top. Anyway, instead of depending too much on web data, what do you think of yourself about ramaNa's teaching and why do you think his teaching goes against Advaita ?? can you share your thoughts in your own words prabhuji?? Kindly note I am not saying ramaNa's teaching and methodology is strictly in line with traditional teaching and sAdhana, but to my knowledge I hardly find any difference in ramaNa's teaching with that of Advaita. In short, though bhagavaan ramaNa was not a rigid follower of orthodox Advaita tradition, his teaching is NOT alien to Advaita. 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar


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‎Namaste 

Interesting article about Ramana. This mig‎ht explain so many aspects about Neo-Advaita and the confusion around. Further, this corresponds to the recent campaign of Rajiv Malhotra. This may also explain why Ramana is saying there is no reincarnation. 

https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/atma-jyoti-ashram-sannyasis-or-snake-oil-salesmen-swami-devananda-saraswati/

‎Regards
Kripa 

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praNAms Sri Kripa Shankar prabhuji
Hare Krishna

My query i‎s simple. There are so many concepts like shrAddha, Creation theory, Karma etc 

> yes, in the shruti, dharma shAstra etc. we will find plenty of references with regard to shrAddhAdi karma, creation, karma etc. for the jignAsu-s who are yet to realize that ultimate truth that there is no creation, no jeeva, nor mukti nor bandha. 

Why pick up reincarnation, why mix up vyavahara and paramaartha and why to take pain to explain again that nothing holds in absolute terms when it is said already many times. Kim punaha?

> don’t you think shruti and bhAshya themselves an admixture of these dual viewpoints?? 're-incarnation' is one of those topics. And in this particular context ramaNa might have taken this topic and clarified his stand from the highest view point. To do apavAda first we have to know what is adhyArOpita, is it not prabhuji. Kindly see kArika maraNe sambhave chaiva gatyAgamanayOrapi and shankara bhAshya on that it would clear from this that exit, going away, reincarnating are all from the stand point of imputation and nothing real in 'real' sense. 
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Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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