[Advaita-l] is this jagat mithyA ?? Sri SSS

[sreenivasa murthy]

Dear Friends,Sri Subramanian writes :"Thus, DSV is the prakriyā forthe uttamādhikāri and SDV is the one for the beginner, who by adhering to that, will graduate to DSV by default."
 Whether it is DSV or SDV or any other xxV, there is The Seer who exists prior to DSV, SDV or any other xxV . Who is the Seer? According to mantras 3-8-11 and 3-7-23 the Seer is Atman / Brahman and never a jiva. Upanishad says realize/ cognize THE Seer .The mantras 2-1-3, 2-1-4 of Kathopanishad and mantra 2-4 of Kena Upanishad show how can cognize/realize Atman. When once this realization dawns there will be an end .
With repectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy



      From: V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> At one point in the DSV discussion in the advaitasiddhi, BrahmAnanda in his
> laghucandrikA says, adhikAribhedakalpitA hi prakriyAbhedAH
> shAstrAcAryairanUditAH, the AchAryas of (our) shAstras have explained
> various prakriyAs (methods of understanding) in accordance with the
> differences among the eligible aspirants. Actually, the context is that
> Madhusudana replies to an objection by the pUrvapakShin, who points out
> that the entire pratikarmavyavasthA becomes untenable under DSV.
> Madhusudana explains that the pratikarmavyavasthA is meant for
> "mandAdhikArins", implying that dRShTi-sRShTi is for uttama-adhikArins.
>

This is very well said. The very purpose of the Shruti talking about SDV
involving a creation by a saguṇa Brahman, with jiva-s having karma phala to
be experienced, a world of tripuṭi, bandha-moksha vyavasthā, etc. is to aid
the beginner aspirant.Says  Sri Amalaananda in his Bhaamatiikalpataru:

निर्विशेषं परं ब्रह्म साक्षात्कर्तुमनीश्वराः ।
ये मन्दास्तेऽनुकम्प्यन्ते सविशेषनिरूपणैः ।
वशीकृते मनस्तेषां सगुणब्रह्मशीलनात् ।
तदेवाविर्भवेत्साक्षादपेतोपाधिकल्पनम् ॥

The scripture, out of compassion, prescribes saguṇa brahma upāsana for
those who are 'manda', incapable of realizing the nirguna brahman. When
they have tamed their mind by saguna brahma worship, etc. then the
realization of nirguna brahman is only a matter of happening.

This is a crucial point, even Shankara does not miss in the Bhashyas:
Gaudapada in the 3rd chapter says:
मृल्लोहविस्फुलिङ्गाद्यैः सृष्टिर्या चोदितान्यथा ।
उपायः सोऽवताराय नास्ति भेदः कथञ्चन ॥ १५ ॥ 3.15
15 The scriptural statements regarding the creation, using the examples of
earth, iron and sparks, are for the purpose of clarifying the
understanding.Multiplicity does not really exist in any manner.
ननु यद्युत्पत्तेः प्रागजं सर्वमेकमेवाद्वितीयम् , तथापि उत्पत्तेरूर्ध्वं
जातमिदं सर्वं जीवाश्च भिन्ना इति । मैवम् , अन्यार्थत्वादुत्पत्तिश्रुतीनाम् ।
पूर्वमपि परिहृत एवायं दोषः — स्वप्नवदात्ममायाविसर्जिताः सङ्घाताः,
घटाकाशोत्पत्तिभेदादिवज्जीवानामुत्पत्तिभेदादिरिति । इत एव
उत्पत्तिभेदादिश्रुतिभ्य आकृष्य इह पुनरुत्पत्तिश्रुतीनामैदम्पर्
यप्रतिपिपादयिषयोपन्यासः मृल्लोहविस्फुलिङ्गादिदृष्टान्तोपन्यासैः सृष्टिः या
च उदिता प्रकाशिता कल्पिता अन्यथान्यथा च, स सर्वः सृष्टिप्रकारो
जीवपरमात्मैकत्वबुद्ध्यवतारायोपायोऽस्माकम् , ....तस्मादुत्पत्त्यादिश्रुतय
आत्मैकत्वबुद्ध्यवतारायैव, नान्यार्थाः कल्पयितुं युक्ताः । अतो
नास्त्युत्पत्त्यादिकृतो भेदः कथञ्चन ॥
The gist of the above bhashya is: If it is held that before creation the
Unitary Brahman alone was, post-creation there is the multiplicity caused
by the manifold jivas. In other words, before creation there was advaita,
post-creation there is dvaita. This objection/doubt was already settled in
the earlier discourse: The creation-shrutis have a different purport (than
conveying the idea that multiplicity is created). Just as multiplicity is
experienced when a person dreams, being projected by that very single
person... and just as many pot-spaces are observed owing to many pots being
created, even though only one space is there really...
Shankara has cited the above kārikā in the Sutra bhāṣya as well and also in
the Br.up.Bhaṣya in the same context.
The Ratnaprabha for BSN 2.1.14 at the end quotes a verse in this
connection: कृपणधीः परिणाममुदीक्षतेक्षयितकल्मषधीस्तु विवर्तताम्  (source
not provided). [‘The unprepared aspirant understands only the ‘creation,
transformation’ scheme whereas the one who has purified his mind of all
dross is able to appreciate the ‘transfiguration’ vivarta of Atman/Brahman
as appearing as the world and jIva-s.’]
In Kārikā 4.41:

उपलम्भात्समाचारादस्तिवस्तुत्ववादिनाम् ।
जातिस्तु देशिता बुद्धैरजातेस्त्रसतां सदा ॥ ४२ ॥
 भाष्यम्
<http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/Mandukya?page=4&id=MK_C04_K42&hlBhashya=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE#bhashya-MK_C04_K42>
यापि बुद्धैः अद्वैतवादिभिः जातिः देशिता उपदिष्टा, उपलम्भनमुपलम्भः, तस्मात्
उपलब्धेरित्यर्थः । समाचारात् वर्णाश्रमादिधर्मसमाचरणाच्च ताभ्यां हेतुभ्याम्
अस्तिवस्तुत्ववादिनाम् अस्ति वस्तुभाव इत्येवंवदनशीलानां दृढाग्रहवतां
श्रद्दधानां मन्दविवेकिनामर्थोपायत्वेन सा देशिता जातिः तां गृह्णन्तु तावत् ।
वेदान्ताभ्यासिनां तु स्वयमेव अजाद्वयात्मविषयो विवेको भविष्यतीति ; न तु
परमार्थबुद्ध्या । ते हि श्रोत्रियाः स्थूलबुद्धित्वात् अजातेः अजातिवस्तुनः
सदा त्रस्यन्ति आत्मनाशं मन्यमाना अविवेकिन इत्यर्थः । ‘उपायः सोऽवताराय’ (मा.
का. ३ । १५)
<http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/Mandukya?page=3&id=MK_C03_V15&hl=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%BD%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF>
इत्युक्तम्
॥
The specifying of varṇāśrama, etc. is intended to those who are no doubt
endowed with faith, but have not raised themselves up to the grasping of
the mukhya vedānta prakriyā: ajāti. The terms Shankara uses here:
mandaviveki, shthūlabuddhi are noteworthy. Thus, DSV is the prakriyā for
the uttamādhikāri and SDV is the one for the beginner, who by adhering to
that, will graduate to DSV by default.
regards
subrahmanian.v





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